Explain these 2 verses?

[Saint of Eight]

Genesis 2:17 (King James Version)

17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Genesis 5:5 (King James Version)

5And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

Could you guys please explain to me how that makes sense?  

[Shadows-shine]

Eating of the fruit brought mortality to mankind, meaning that we will all die.

Before Adam ate the fruit, he was immortal and wouldn't die, but when he partook of the fruit he became mortal and thus subject to death.  

[Saint of Eight]

What I was asking is that why didn't Adam die the day he ate the fruit?  

[Shadows-shine]

God didn't mean Adam would die physically right when he took the fruit. When Adam took the fruit, he died spiritually, meaning he was cut off from the presence of God. So he did die in a sense.  

[darknova1111]

it was part of gods plan for adam to eat the fruit... it had to be his choice though. if he died then and there, we wouldn't be here, now would we?  

[Gregar828]

I think that, by dying, he meant that Adam (and mankind, for that matter) would never again know the paradise of Eden.  

[Saint Crazy The Follower]

Well, you COULD consider those who are mortal to be already dead, since they're destined to death anyway. It sounds a bit morbid but it makes sense, especially to a God who transcends time. Remember when Jesus said "Let the dead bury their own dead"? The people who he was referring to weren't dead yet, but if they weren't headed for eternal life, they may as well be dead. You can also consider them to be spiritually dead, because they will not be with God; some translations even add "spiritually dead" to what Jesus said there.  

[Rsnbl Faith]

Shadows-shine

God didn't mean Adam would die physically right when he took the fruit. When Adam took the fruit, he died spiritually, meaning he was cut off from the presence of God. So he did die in a sense.

I am quoting her, because it is the most logical I've heard. I vote this as best answer.  

[Green_Fuu]

Shadows-shine

God didn't mean Adam would die physically right when he took the fruit. When Adam took the fruit, he died spiritually, meaning he was cut off from the presence of God. So he did die in a sense.

Saint Crazy The Follower

Well, you COULD consider those who are mortal to be already dead, since they're destined to death anyway. It sounds a bit morbid but it makes sense, especially to a God who transcends time. Remember when Jesus said "Let the dead bury their own dead"? The people who he was referring to weren't dead yet, but if they weren't headed for eternal life, they may as well be dead. You can also consider them to be spiritually dead, because they will not be with God; some translations even add "spiritually dead" to what Jesus said there.

I don't think there's anything else to say.

 

[Br1ttana]

darknova1111

it was part of gods plan for adam to eat the fruit... it had to be his choice though. if he died then and there, we wouldn't be here, now would we?

You can tickle me pink, orange, red, or blue, but not grey

        Uh..no.....Why would that be part of his plan? Why would God want us to sin and no longer be perfect? Why would he want us to do exactly what he told us not to do? Why would he want us to eat something that would have bad things happen to us in the future(sin, consequences from sin, death(which is an consequence of sin))? And for Adam to be spiritually and one day physically dead along with the rest of his most beloved creation????!! Your answer doesn't make any sense at all.  

Because grey will not do.

 

[Your Boy Roy]

Br1ttana, the answer is simple. God created Man to be imperfect. He designed them to fall into Sin. Once they were at that point, he blessed several people, such as Moses and Elijah, to keep them from falling purely into Satan's hold. That went on for 42 generations, until the Immaculate Mary give birth to the Son of Man, Christ. Christ performed his miracles, getting his handful of followers. Then he was crucified, and his suffering washed away all of the sins of the past 42 generations.

It was God's plan for mankind to fall, so that they could be saved. If they didn't fall, there would have been no need for a Savior.  

[On_Fire_4_CHRIST]

Aizen-Sama05

Br1ttana, the answer is simple. God created Man to be imperfect. He designed them to fall into Sin. Once they were at that point, he blessed several people, such as Moses and Elijah, to keep them from falling purely into Satan's hold. That went on for 42 generations, until the Immaculate Mary give birth to the Son of Man, Christ. Christ performed his miracles, getting his handful of followers. Then he was crucified, and his suffering washed away all of the sins of the past 42 generations.

It was God's plan for mankind to fall, so that they could be saved. If they didn't fall, there would have been no need for a Savior.

Hold up, hold up, hold up. That is very inaccurate. God did not will for man to fall at all! The same God who hates sin would not say "Oh hey. You must sin!" That is hypocritical and makes no sense whatsoever. God is perfect and cannot contradict himself.

God did not want the creations He loved, that He made to glorify Himself to sin and be separated from Him. However, He knew what man would do and therefore He made a plan to handle it. He made man to glorify Himself with the hopes of being together with him. However, He knew what would happen. That did not make Him decide to do something else or get rid of free will. He went on, knowing what man would do and wishing they would do otherwise. However, as He already knew would happen, man sinned and because of that, He made a plan of redemption.

Also you cannot say that there would be no need for the Savior if man did not sin. Do recall that God is the Trinity. God is three in one: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. And since God is eternal, that means God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit all existed before the beginning of time. So, to say that there would be no need for the Savior (who is Jesus Christ - God the Son), is to say that there would be no need for God at all if man had not sinned. Quite the contrary. Because of man's sinful nature, we need God.  

[On_Fire_4_CHRIST]

Shadows-shine

God didn't mean Adam would die physically right when he took the fruit. When Adam took the fruit, he died spiritually, meaning he was cut off from the presence of God. So he did die in a sense.

Saint Crazy The Follower

Well, you COULD consider those who are mortal to be already dead, since they're destined to death anyway. It sounds a bit morbid but it makes sense, especially to a God who transcends time. Remember when Jesus said "Let the dead bury their own dead"? The people who he was referring to weren't dead yet, but if they weren't headed for eternal life, they may as well be dead. You can also consider them to be spiritually dead, because they will not be with God; some translations even add "spiritually dead" to what Jesus said there.

I agree with Saint and Shadows  

[Your Boy Roy]

On_Fire_4_CHRIST

Aizen-Sama05

Br1ttana, the answer is simple. God created Man to be imperfect. He designed them to fall into Sin. Once they were at that point, he blessed several people, such as Moses and Elijah, to keep them from falling purely into Satan's hold. That went on for 42 generations, until the Immaculate Mary give birth to the Son of Man, Christ. Christ performed his miracles, getting his handful of followers. Then he was crucified, and his suffering washed away all of the sins of the past 42 generations.

It was God's plan for mankind to fall, so that they could be saved. If they didn't fall, there would have been no need for a Savior.

Hold up, hold up, hold up. That is very inaccurate. God did not will for man to fall at all! The same God who hates sin would not say "Oh hey. You must sin!" That is hypocritical and makes no sense whatsoever. God is perfect and cannot contradict himself.

God did not want the creations He loved, that He made to glorify Himself to sin and be separated from Him. However, He knew what man would do and therefore He made a plan to handle it. He made man to glorify Himself with the hopes of being together with him. However, He knew what would happen. That did not make Him decide to do something else or get rid of free will. He went on, knowing what man would do and wishing they would do otherwise. However, as He already knew would happen, man sinned and because of that, He made a plan of redemption.

Also you cannot say that there would be no need for the Savior if man did not sin. Do recall that God is the Trinity. God is three in one: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. And since God is eternal, that means God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit all existed before the beginning of time. So, to say that there would be no need for the Savior (who is Jesus Christ - God the Son), is to say that there would be no need for God at all if man had not sinned. Quite the contrary. Because of man's sinful nature, we need God.

I did not say that there was no need for the Son. I said that there would be no need for the Savior. Also, if God did not will for Man to fall, a) he wouldn't have put the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden of Evil and b) they wouldn't have fallen. We cannot see God's Plan. So therefore we cannot concretely say that we know what was and what wasn't a part of His plan. He allowed Man to fall, he knew it would happen. He is all-knowing, all powerful. Whatever he says goes. Therefore, he had to allow Man to fall for it to happen.  

[On_Fire_4_CHRIST]

Aizen-Sama05

On_Fire_4_CHRIST

Aizen-Sama05

Br1ttana, the answer is simple. God created Man to be imperfect. He designed them to fall into Sin. Once they were at that point, he blessed several people, such as Moses and Elijah, to keep them from falling purely into Satan's hold. That went on for 42 generations, until the Immaculate Mary give birth to the Son of Man, Christ. Christ performed his miracles, getting his handful of followers. Then he was crucified, and his suffering washed away all of the sins of the past 42 generations.

It was God's plan for mankind to fall, so that they could be saved. If they didn't fall, there would have been no need for a Savior.

Hold up, hold up, hold up. That is very inaccurate. God did not will for man to fall at all! The same God who hates sin would not say "Oh hey. You must sin!" That is hypocritical and makes no sense whatsoever. God is perfect and cannot contradict himself.

God did not want the creations He loved, that He made to glorify Himself to sin and be separated from Him. However, He knew what man would do and therefore He made a plan to handle it. He made man to glorify Himself with the hopes of being together with him. However, He knew what would happen. That did not make Him decide to do something else or get rid of free will. He went on, knowing what man would do and wishing they would do otherwise. However, as He already knew would happen, man sinned and because of that, He made a plan of redemption.

Also you cannot say that there would be no need for the Savior if man did not sin. Do recall that God is the Trinity. God is three in one: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. And since God is eternal, that means God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit all existed before the beginning of time. So, to say that there would be no need for the Savior (who is Jesus Christ - God the Son), is to say that there would be no need for God at all if man had not sinned. Quite the contrary. Because of man's sinful nature, we need God.

I did not say that there was no need for the Son. I said that there would be no need for the Savior. Also, if God did not will for Man to fall, a) he wouldn't have put the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden of Evil and b) they wouldn't have fallen. We cannot see God's Plan. So therefore we cannot concretely say that we know what was and what wasn't a part of His plan. He allowed Man to fall, he knew it would happen. He is all-knowing, all powerful. Whatever he says goes. Therefore, he had to allow Man to fall for it to happen.

Now you're saying something different. Are you saying He willed for man to fall or that He knew that man would fall? They are 2 very different things. Omniscient does not mean willing for something to happen. There was an example some guy used. I don't remember all of it, or who it was but I'll say what I remember.

"I can leave a cookie on the kitchen counter and leave, knowing that when he comes in he will eat the cookie. Nothing I did affected how he made the decision to eat the cookie, but I knew he was going to eat it anyway."

Something like that. But yeah. Omniscience is not will.

Also, by saying there would be no need for the Savior is still saying that there would be no need for Jesus, because Jesus is the Savior. Now if you're saying there would be no need for anyone to save man, who cares? God saved man, which was and is nothing. Why should anyone bother saving man in the first place? And God could have refused to create man if He willed. So using the logic that God willed for man to fall into sin because otherwise there would be no need for the Savior doesn't work. God could have a) decided not to create man, and b) decided not to save man.

In addition, you said that "We cannot see God's Plan. So therefore we cannot concretely say that we know what was and what wasn't a part of His plan." Yet you said "Also, if God did not will for Man to fall, a)He wouldn't have put the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden of Eden..." (it was not the garden of evil, but the garden of eden). You cannot say that God put the tree there for man to fall. First off, it's in James that God does not and cannot tempt anyone. So we definitely know that God did not put the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden of Eden for man to fall, because He cannot tempt anyone. We know that God absolutely despises sin. It's all over the Bible, whether direct or indirect. It would be hypocritical and contradictory for God to make sure man fell and then punish them for something He knew/willed to happen. God, again, cannot contradict Himself. If He did, He wouldn't be God; He wouldn't be perfect. We certainly know that the God who hates man could not have willed for man to fall.