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 Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2006 2:10 pm
First off. For those that dont know what global warming is. Humankind has, by way of population. deforestation, and the burning of fossil fuels has increased the amount of CO2 (carbon Dioxide) in the atmosphere, carbon dioxide is one of the green house gasses that helps to trap heat from the sun in the atmosphere. because of increased CO2 levels more and more heat is being trapped, causing the avarage temperature of the planet to rise. Yesterday, the Science channel brodcasted a show "Global Warming. What you need to know" This show explained what global warming is. and what it will do. One of the main problems. is melting polar ice caps. the last substantial size chunk to break off from Antartica was the size of Rhode Island (No, im not getting that from "The Day After Tommarow." its real.) The melting of the ice caps increases sea levels. Scientists predict that in the next decade enough ice will have melted to cause the country of Bangladesh, the citys of New Orleans, New York, and other cities all over the world, and other islands around the globel to be under water. Hurricanes have been becoming increasingly more powerful, and they will keep getting this way. Temperatures around the world will rise. Animals will be effected greatly. for example the polar bears hunt during spring and summer, so they have enough food to hibernate fall and winter. but because of rising temperatures. the ice melts faster. so the hunting time is shrinking. with less hunting time. means bears loose body fat. therefore not producing enough milk for their young. with they cant produce enough milk. no more young. no more polar bears. Deforestation- Humans have been destroying rainforests. and other forests. because trees and other plants breath CO2 and release oxygen, the carbon immisions and the rate of the loss of trees has caused the plants to fall behind, there to much CO2 and to few plants. Cars- The USA is one of the most fossil fuel dependant countries in the world. and what are auto makers doing to help? almost noting. yes you may say that they are getting smart by making Hybrids and whatnot, and im not saying those arnt good ideas, but many other countries, including some third world countries, are building cleaner cars. Cars that dont release as much CO2. Most American Automakers DO NOT produce cars that are cleaner. they just make what they always have made. here is a 1996 graph of the top 20 CO2 emitting countries http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y162/kingoftheothers/top20_96.gifhere is a per person carbon emission graph  The is a film out "An Inconvient Truth." that explains global warming more in depth. Everyone should see it. Global Warming is reality. and it will happen. soon. Thank you for reading. consider the facts. and post your thoughts, comments, etc.
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Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:42 pm
YESSSSSSSSSSSS A SMART AND AWARE PERSON!!!!! I was going to be posting something very very similar in all of my guilds so I'm really glad I found that someone has done the very thing I wanted to teach people.
There are very simple steps to lower the pollution thus slowing the global warming and hopefully preventing it completely.
- Use compact flourescent light bulbs instead of the cheap ones. It has a MUCH longer life span so not only are you saving energy, you're saving trash by throwing away so many light bulbs. Some of these compact flourescent light bulbs last up to 9 years!!!! Yes they are a bit more pricey but if you think about it you're really saving much more than you're spending.
- Unplug appliances you aren't using. Even if you've turned something off it is still sucking the energy. If you unplug it then you're saving on your electricity bill as well as reducing more pollution!
- When going to the dry cleaners, bring your on bag for your clothes instead of getting the throw-away bags they give you. Less garbage- as simple as that.
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- For those of you looking for a new car or have enough money to buy a new one, choose a hybrid or at least a car that has at least 30 mph. This benefits you twice over since you're saving SO MUCH MORE money on the rising petrol prices as well as reducing air pollution.
It's ridiculous that we haven't done something already! I think it's a combination of a few things:
-people don't really understand what global warming is
-people feel that it's just a phase the planet is in like the ice age
-the oil business is so greedy with their money that they protest and higher cheap scientists to say it's nothing important
-it won't effect us in our life time anyway
All of it is COMPLETE BS! The global warming has already started with the hurricanes. Sure it may have been known as hurricane season, but come on. These are becoming even more powerful, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who noticed the NATION WIDE HEAT WARNING. That's not normal people.. If the Earth's temperature keeps rising, then the crops won't get enough water, meaning starvation and hyperventilation seeing that there won't be enough water for us either. With this, the population of mosquitos with fatal viruses and diseases will grow and spread all over the world killing MILLIONS of people as well as the decreasing water and food supply killing us off as well. Whole cities and islands that we all know will drown, and this could happen in a matter of decades. Scary s**t people.
We need to act NOW!! And yes, I fully and completely recommend the movie "An Inconvient Truth." This is to be taken seriously- grow up and look around! It's closer than you may think.
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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 2:00 pm
Okay I'll agree with you that this is something that needs to be done with and stopped or at least slowed down. But the major parts of Antartaca(sp?), such as the middle, the tempature has actually gone down .5C over the last 5 years. Parts of the world are getting hotter while some are getting cooler. Why? I don't really know. But we concentrate on these hot spots and forget these cooling spots. Heck some parts of the U.S.A. have the same tempature as in the 50's. It just that it cooled down then with the increase of CO2, chopping down trees, and etc. that the world is starting to heat up again.
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 2:32 pm
gamer014 Okay I'll agree with you that this is something that needs to be done with and stopped or at least slowed down. But the major parts of Antartaca(sp?), such as the middle, the tempature has actually gone down .5C over the last 5 years. Parts of the world are getting hotter while some are getting cooler. Why? I don't really know. But we concentrate on these hot spots and forget these cooling spots. Heck some parts of the U.S.A. have the same tempature as in the 50's. It just that it cooled down then with the increase of CO2, chopping down trees, and etc. that the world is starting to heat up again. Well, the problem with that logic is that it assumes that the two balance out, which is not true. As and AVERAGE, the global temperature has been steadily rising for decades, if not centuries. However, and I say this as an environmental science major, there are still a great many unknowns left in the equation. Don't parrot Al Gore, scientists have been saying the exact same thing for the last twenty years. Do the research for yourself. While there is correlation between the rise in industry and the levels of CO2 in the atmosphere, that alone is not enough to prove causality. The world is much older than our measurements, and it has been argued by the opposite side that the world may be on a natural warming cycle, and therefore humans really aren't to blame. Nonetheless, this doesn't change the fact that the world is rising in temperature, and that adverse effects on our environment are already becoming visible. I consider the human factor in the equation to be a "Well, duh"-type of factor, that while we cannot prove it specifically, the evidence is rather convincing that industrialized nations are rapidly increasing the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, which is the probably cause behind the acceleration of global warming.
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:52 pm
Ah.... global warming.... oh... I don't believe it... and I know I am gonna piss off people and I`m sorry if I do... but... here we go!
Okay people... we just got out of a miny ice age where all teperatures are lower by 10 to 20 degrees and now that we are out of it temperatures are close to the 100's its okay... just drink lots of water. And wait for the next miny ice age to come. There's a pattern between hot and cold weather throughout the centuries. Second... statisticly... there are more trees now then 300 years ago.... and studies have proven that it is because of thick and dense forest that the heat is rising. How? Because UV rays build up under the trees killing the undergrowth, which starves the little animals and other wildlife creatures. And because the UV rays can't excape back to the atmosphere, they get obsereved into the Earth and kill the roots of the trees. Or the build up of UV rays makes the temperatures get so high in the undergrowth it causes the forest fires in California! Which makes all of the carbon dioxid to mess with our Ozone layer. So all of you hippies saying how we shouldn't cut trees(which most of them are ironically in California)... we need to!
*breathes* That is my rant of the day... I sorta got cranky at the end... sorry... I tend to disagree with hippies. sweatdrop Have a Nice day everyone! sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 10:37 pm
SlaveToKarma Ah.... global warming.... oh... I don't believe it... and I know I am gonna piss off people and I`m sorry if I do... but... here we go! Okay people... we just got out of a miny ice age where all teperatures are lower by 10 to 20 degrees and now that we are out of it temperatures are close to the 100's its okay... just drink lots of water. And wait for the next miny ice age to come. There's a pattern between hot and cold weather throughout the centuries. Second... statisticly... there are more trees now then 300 years ago.... and studies have proven that it is because of thick and dense forest that the heat is rising. How? Because UV rays build up under the trees killing the undergrowth, which starves the little animals and other wildlife creatures. And because the UV rays can't excape back to the atmosphere, they get obsereved into the Earth and kill the roots of the trees. Or the build up of UV rays makes the temperatures get so high in the undergrowth it causes the forest fires in California! Which makes all of the carbon dioxid to mess with our Ozone layer. So all of you hippies saying how we shouldn't cut trees(which most of them are ironically in California)... we need to! *breathes* That is my rant of the day... I sorta got cranky at the end... sorry... I tend to disagree with hippies. sweatdrop Have a Nice day everyone! sweatdrop Okay, gimme a sec. You don't "believe" in global warming? It's not a matter of belief, it's a factual and logical process that has been occuring and has been recorded for over 70 years. You can't just "not believe" it, we've observed it's effects and we already know how it works. Firstly, UV rays don't cause heat, they cause skin cancer and are mostly blocked off by the ozone layer, which has also been steadily thinning over the years. Ever wonder why there are so many more cases of skin cancer than every before? We even have a big hole in the protective shield for our planet, caused by overuse of CFCs. Infrared rays don't get caught in the underbrush of trees, they are trapped on the surface of the Earth by the layer of carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, water vapor, and other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, causing the "greenhouse effect." This is what causes global warming, the entrapment of heat on the surface of the planet by thick gases which act as a blanket. The same effect has been observed on Venus to much higher extremes. Mini-ice age? What the hell are you talking about? Yes, there are global fluctuations of temperature, but depending on WHERE you measure your temperatures will determine what kind of heating or cooling trends you will get. As a WHOLE, the Earth has been steadily warming, causing the melting of the polar ice caps and raising the planets water level. The increase of liquid water does two things: 1) creates adverse weather conditions due to the faster cooling of the air over ocean water, and 2) increases flooding of coastal areas and rivers. At the rate they're going, up to 30% of landmass could be lost within the next century. We NEED to cut trees? This whole attitude of "forest management" is exactly the kind of thing that led to such an increase of forest fires in the early years of the forestry service. Forest fires are SUPPOSED to happen, it's a NATURAL occurance. By trying to prevent them from happening, the grounds dry out and actually accumulate smaller plant matter from less competition. Come the dry season, you might as well toss a match on a powder keg. By letting nature take its course and letting the right trees grow and burn as appropriate, the environment will maintain its balance and not lead to catastrophic fires which inevitably end up happening under "forest management." The only reason there's more trees than there were 300 years ago is because we've hacked and slashed so much natural forest that there isn't much left that hasn't been protected by State and National Parks. So what lumber corporations ended up doing was starting "tree farms" and re-planting areas that they had cut in the past, usually with disastrous results. I HIGHLY recommend you actually RESEARCH your subject and KNOW what you're talking about the next time you want to rant about how it's the "California hippies" who are at fault for what you percieve as a fake problem in our environment. The problem is very real, whether you want to believe it or not. I apologize if I seem bit harsh, but people who judge others with such gusto and no evidence to back it up irk me to no end. I'm California born and raised, and the environment is very dear to my heart. I'm no hippie by any means, but there's no way I'm going to let you get away without at least first making an attempt to clarify the points you've brought up.
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Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:08 am
Hmm, wasn't there something like a Kyoto Treaty or something like that? Gah, sorry, I forgot the name.
I think all of the countries have signed it except the US.
And for a long time the US believed that there was no thing as global warming.
Seriously, the US (actually Bush) is acting really stupid!
These things really want me to cry.
EDIT: Ok, I'm gonna go do some research so I'll sound smarter.
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Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:25 am
What you're refering to is the Kyoto Protocol, which was a global agreement to reduce greenhouse emissions in an effort to stem the tide of global warming. This would be more public transportation and more research into alternative fuel sources, in addition to other things. America chose to sign into the treaty, but hasn't actually done anything about it, under the argument that it would be required to make the most cuts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_protocol
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Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:08 pm
SlaveToKarma Ah.... global warming.... oh... I don't believe it... and I know I am gonna piss off people and I`m sorry if I do... but... here we go! Okay people... we just got out of a miny ice age where all teperatures are lower by 10 to 20 degrees and now that we are out of it temperatures are close to the 100's its okay... just drink lots of water. And wait for the next miny ice age to come. There's a pattern between hot and cold weather throughout the centuries. Second... statisticly... there are more trees now then 300 years ago.... and studies have proven that it is because of thick and dense forest that the heat is rising. How? Because UV rays build up under the trees killing the undergrowth, which starves the little animals and other wildlife creatures. And because the UV rays can't excape back to the atmosphere, they get obsereved into the Earth and kill the roots of the trees. Or the build up of UV rays makes the temperatures get so high in the undergrowth it causes the forest fires in California! Which makes all of the carbon dioxid to mess with our Ozone layer. So all of you hippies saying how we shouldn't cut trees(which most of them are ironically in California)... we need to! *breathes* That is my rant of the day... I sorta got cranky at the end... sorry... I tend to disagree with hippies. sweatdrop Have a Nice day everyone! sweatdrop do some research, becase about 1% of that, was even close to correct.
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Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 7:55 pm
SlaveToKarma Ah.... global warming.... oh... I don't believe it... and I know I am gonna piss off people and I`m sorry if I do... but... here we go! Okay people... we just got out of a miny ice age where all teperatures are lower by 10 to 20 degrees and now that we are out of it temperatures are close to the 100's its okay... just drink lots of water. And wait for the next miny ice age to come. There's a pattern between hot and cold weather throughout the centuries. Second... statisticly... there are more trees now then 300 years ago.... and studies have proven that it is because of thick and dense forest that the heat is rising. How? Because UV rays build up under the trees killing the undergrowth, which starves the little animals and other wildlife creatures. And because the UV rays can't excape back to the atmosphere, they get obsereved into the Earth and kill the roots of the trees. Or the build up of UV rays makes the temperatures get so high in the undergrowth it causes the forest fires in California! Which makes all of the carbon dioxid to mess with our Ozone layer. So all of you hippies saying how we shouldn't cut trees(which most of them are ironically in California)... we need to! *breathes* That is my rant of the day... I sorta got cranky at the end... sorry... I tend to disagree with hippies. sweatdrop Have a Nice day everyone! sweatdrop I just want to make some corrections...Firstly, its unnecessary to call everyone who disagrees with you a hippie...You shouldn't generalize and classify everyone as a hippie (which in your words probably means an empty-headed drug addict) , its a cheap and empty insult which shows from your part a lack of tolerance. Second, the problem of the excess of heat cannot just be resolved with an additional mouthful of water. sweatdrop Sorry to dissapoint you, but excessive heat isn't the only problem that can be caused by global warming. But you already know that, don't you? Also, I don't know where on Earth did you hear that 300 years ago there were less trees, because that is a horrible lie. First, back then the Amazon rainforest was practically intact. Nowadays it has already been reduced to less than its half. The world population was not as dense as it is now, so there was no need to widen the cities or villages. Technology was not as advanced as it is now, therefore it was impossible to cut massive amounts of trees each day. And frankly, I doubt that global warming is happening because of the excess of trees. Its common knowledge that when you enter a green area the temperature will decrease several degrees. Leaves don't accumulate light underneath, they absorb it and use it as an energy source. But according to you, trees are the cause of the excess of heat. The more trees there are, the more rays there will be. However, how can those trees accumulate heat under their leaves when they're the reason to why the ozone layer still exists? After all, they produce oxygen, and as you may already know, oxygen is a necessary ingredient to strengthen the ozone layer. Your argument is invalid because you're contradicting yourself. If you're going to answer, please don't resort to lies. You can validate your argument in a much more effective way. But I can't accept this kind of answer, it has no logical foundation. Also, read what dboyzero wrote about the UV rays. How on Earth is the Amazon Rainforest so full of life if, according to you, trees are the reason to why animals suffocate and die? Forests ussually serve as shelter to animals, because they need animals to remain alive.
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:09 pm
HI Everybody! I knew I was gonna get attention with my post! blaugh Well, first off, I must appologise to dboyzero for not stating the source of my facts but were are your sourses? I am also sorry for insulting you. BUt my definition of a hippie is different then most people. And from your rant on global warming and the environment, on MY terms, you are a hippie. (My definition is stated later.) I am also sorry to MithrandirWeasleyIstari because I didn't describe how forest and Carbon Dioxide coencide. Hopefully I am more thurough this time around.
My definition of hippies is the one S. I. Hayakawa stated as a Senator of California.
Now for the rebuttle:
I DO NOT BELIEVE IN GLOBAL WARMING. It is not a fact! It is little current observations thrown together to create fear in citizens that the world is coming to an end. And how can the planet be warming up in the past 70 years when less then 30 years ago Times Magazine posted a cover story on global cooling?
UV rays do in fact create heat. As do most rays from the Electromagnectic SPectrum. UV rays are developed from the sun. It is these rays that warm up this planet. Yes, UV rays do pass through the ozone layer. Yes UV rays do cause skin cancer. But theres a reason why. The Ozone is like a wooden shield and the UV rays are like shrapnel bullets. The wooden shield can stop the majority of the shrapnel but some still get through. You can't expect the ozone to completely stop the power of the sun! Which then lead to skin cancer. There is more skin cancer around today then in 1900 because men wear speedos and women wear bikinis, exposing more skin to UV rays. In 1900, women and men were fully clothed when they went swimming. So they were not severly effected by the rays. But today everybody wants a great tan so they wear something simular to a g-string. Its their own fault they get skin cancer.
As for the hole in the atmosphere, scientist have been saying the hole the is gone. BUt what took it? This is proven by a block of ice in Antartica that is getting bigger.
Now the nature of trees! whee Trees need heat to transfer carbon dioxide into oxygen. Just as maggots need heat to become flys. (Lovely image. gonk )Where to they get the heat? From the UV rays that pass through the ozone! But the trees trap the UV rays which might occasionaly spark a forest fire. ANd If forest fires are natural dboyzero then you belive in spontanious compustion. And yes trees are home to multiple kinds of animals. All I am saying is that we cuts down a few trees per few dozen acres to the UV rays can be released back into the atmosphere so the fires don't kill all life in the forests.
The ICE AGE! First off, the Earth goes through rythmic patterns in heating and cooling. It is now in the heating stage after the cooling stage which lasted from the 1500's to the 1800's. I learned this not to long ago by watching the Hitory Channels story called, "The Miny Ice Age" This will also explain how farmers could endure working everyday in the sun during the summer in the 1700's and how unbearable Valley Forge was for Washington and his men.
As for the ice melting... ice takes up more space then melted water so there would not be any increace from melted ice in the artic. Maybe in Antartica since the ice in on land, but the ice blocks are getting bigger. So we are safe from losing land mass.
Also, the UNITED NATIONS stated in the World Almanac that there is more land on the earths surface then there was 50 years ago. And that 1/3 of all the land is still forest! Yes there are tree farms, but at least there are trees!
As for the Kyoto Protocol, it is not a global agreement. The United States didn't sign it. Also no introdustrial nation has enforced anything the Protocal stands for as of yet.
OKay, oxygen is not the only major componite in making the ozone. Carbon dioxide also makes the ozone. But so many modern day chicken littles (Like Al Gore) Are saying it's because of too much carbon dioxide that global warming is happening today. If that is true then why do volcano eruptions (which release a great amount of CO2) tend to lower temperatures? For example,The Krakatau Volcano of Indonesia. It erupted in 1883 and scientist discovered that temperatures dropped significantly all over the world including Ireland. And because of the temperature drop, there was the potato famine in Ireland, forcing 1/3 of Irish folk to escape to the United States. It is also known for the cause of The Year of No Summer, in 1884.
Of what of the leftover CO2 that doesn't get obsored into the ozone? well, it either gets obsorbed by trees or the ocean to become oxygen again or it cools down the temperatures like a volcano. Besides, trees only create 20% of the worlds oxygen. Biproducts in the oceans create the other 80%.
So we don't need to worry about global warming we don't need to worry about deforestation. What we need to worry about are murderers and rapers.
Sorry this is so long. sweatdrop Thank you for reading! 3nodding
P.S. Yes I know my spelling sucks... SO sorry for the grammer mistakes!
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:04 pm
SlaveToKarma Now for the rebuttle: I DO NOT BELIEVE IN GLOBAL WARMING. It is not a fact! It is little current observations thrown together to create fear in citizens that the world is coming to an end. And how can the planet be warming up in the past 70 years when less then 30 years ago Times Magazine posted a cover story on global cooling? No, it isn't a "fact," it is a theory based on a number of observable and testable facts. You know what else is a theory based on observable and testable facts? Gravity. That germs cause disease. Let us debate a theory on the basis of the facts which support or weaken it, instead of saying it isn't true because the word theory can be applied to it. SlaveToKarma UV rays do in fact create heat. As do most rays from the Electromagnectic SPectrum. UV rays are developed from the sun. It is these rays that warm up this planet. Yes, UV rays do pass through the ozone layer. Yes UV rays do cause skin cancer. But theres a reason why. The Ozone is like a wooden shield and the UV rays are like shrapnel bullets. The wooden shield can stop the majority of the shrapnel but some still get through. You can't expect the ozone to completely stop the power of the sun! Which then lead to skin cancer. There is more skin cancer around today then in 1900 because men wear speedos and women wear bikinis, exposing more skin to UV rays. In 1900, women and men were fully clothed when they went swimming. So they were not severly effected by the rays. But today everybody wants a great tan so they wear something simular to a g-string. Its their own fault they get skin cancer. As for the hole in the atmosphere, scientist have been saying the hole the is gone. BUt what took it? This is proven by a block of ice in Antartica that is getting bigger. I think you are confused. Global warming and the hole in the ozone layer are UNRELATED issues. The ozone layer was being thinned by industrial release of chlorofluorocarbons into the air. Strict legislation was imposed to curb this problem and that was when the hole in the ozone layer began to heal. That is what "took" it, not magic. Global warming is a new problem which can be solved with similar legislation and technological advances. SlaveToKarma Now the nature of trees! whee Trees need heat to transfer carbon dioxide into oxygen. Just as maggots need heat to become flys. (Lovely image. gonk )Where to they get the heat? From the UV rays that pass through the ozone! But the trees trap the UV rays which might occasionaly spark a forest fire. ANd If forest fires are natural dboyzero then you belive in spontanious compustion. And yes trees are home to multiple kinds of animals. All I am saying is that we cuts down a few trees per few dozen acres to the UV rays can be released back into the atmosphere so the fires don't kill all life in the forests. Forest fires have been occuring for the entirety of life on earth. Yes they are natural and necessary to the health of a forest, but they have been occuring with far greater frequency of late. We have fewer trees and they are becoming more common instead of less common. While you are correct that UV rays are one of the causes, releasing them back into the atmosphere is hardly the answer. The cause of current warming trends is carbon dioxide and other atmospheric gases, which reflect UV rays back onto the earth (Your reference to volcanos does not invalidate this fact. I have responded to that particular claim below.) If you were to "release them back into the atmosphere," they would simply be reflected back down or you would be tansferring the problem, making the entire world feel the effects of the heat. More than that, trees help to clean the air of numerous pollutants and atmospheric gases, meaning that there is less carbon dioxide in the air, meaning that more UV rays are released from the earth, reducing the threat of both forest fires, rising temperatures and glacial melt. I'm not going to disagree that a bit of logging here and there can be good for humans, but the only sensible and sustainable policy is to plant as many or more trees than we cut down. SlaveToKarma The ICE AGE! First off, the Earth goes through rythmic patterns in heating and cooling. It is now in the heating stage after the cooling stage which lasted from the 1500's to the 1800's. I learned this not to long ago by watching the Hitory Channels story called, "The Miny Ice Age" This will also explain how farmers could endure working everyday in the sun during the summer in the 1700's and how unbearable Valley Forge was for Washington and his men. Yes, the earth most certainly does go through these cycles. However, it is absolutely useless to talk about "mini ice-ages" without talking about exactly how much it has been warming or cooling. We may well be coming out of the end of a period of cooling, but what we are moving into is not automatically going to be a natural period of warming. Whatever you think about global warming as a theory, it is a fact that throughout history, temperatures have been in pefect, unveering lockstep with the levels of CO2 in the air. I am unaware of any "flukes" in this record where CO2 was high and the temperature was not. An increase in CO2 invariably led to an increase in temperature, following just a few decades behind. We can trace this back thousands of years with great accuracy. The other fact we have is that within the last few years, CO2 levels have risen more than three times higher than any previous level. If CO2 has always been an extremely accurate predictor of near-future temperatures in the past, what makes anybody think it will not be in this case as well? SlaveToKarma As for the ice melting... ice takes up more space then melted water so there would not be any increace from melted ice in the artic. Maybe in Antartica since the ice in on land, but the ice blocks are getting bigger. So we are safe from losing land mass. This is so erroneous in so many ways that I don't even know how to begin to respond to it. SlaveToKarma Also, the UNITED NATIONS stated in the World Almanac that there is more land on the earths surface then there was 50 years ago. And that 1/3 of all the land is still forest! Yes there are tree farms, but at least there are trees! We are also polluting now more than ever. 1/3 sounds good, but it is not necessarily enough. No one can argue that we have more trees now than we did 100 years ago. If you feel that the UN is an accurate source of information, you should know that the United Nations-sponsored Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has put forward many studies saying that global warming is real, is a serious threat, and needs to be dealt with immediately. SlaveToKarma As for the Kyoto Protocol, it is not a global agreement. The United States didn't sign it. Also no introdustrial nation has enforced anything the Protocal stands for as of yet. That's correct, we didn't sign it. It is incorrect that no nation has taken any steps to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions. Also, even if they were being lazy about it would have no bearing on whether or not global warming was real. It would just mean that they are lazy. SlaveToKarma OKay, oxygen is not the only major componite in making the ozone. Carbon dioxide also makes the ozone. But so many modern day chicken littles (Like Al Gore) Are saying it's because of too much carbon dioxide that global warming is happening today. If that is true then why do volcano eruptions (which release a great amount of CO2) tend to lower temperatures? For example,The Krakatau Volcano of Indonesia. It erupted in 1883 and scientist discovered that temperatures dropped significantly all over the world including Ireland. And because of the temperature drop, there was the potato famine in Ireland, forcing 1/3 of Irish folk to escape to the United States. It is also known for the cause of The Year of No Summer, in 1884. Because CO2 is not the only thing that volcanos release. They also release ash. Lots and lots and lots of ash, and ash acts as a shield against UV rays. Ash from major volcanic eruption has been shown to be able to circle the globe many times before finally coming back to earth. Volcanic eruptions are also natural events, generally spread out over centuries, making the CO2 burden they put on the atmosphere something that a healthy ecosystem (i.e. forests) can handle without allowing the global temperature to swing to a dangerous extreme. SlaveToKarma Of what of the leftover CO2 that doesn't get obsored into the ozone? well, it either gets obsorbed by trees or the ocean to become oxygen again or it cools down the temperatures like a volcano. Besides, trees only create 20% of the worlds oxygen. Biproducts in the oceans create the other 80%. So we don't need to worry about global warming we don't need to worry about deforestation. What we need to worry about are murderers and rapers. Sorry this is so long. sweatdrop Thank you for reading! 3nodding P.S. Yes I know my spelling sucks... SO sorry for the grammer mistakes! Your conclusion is based on false, partial or misunderstood information. We do need to worry about global warming, we do need to worry about deforestation - in the context of global warming and from many other perspectives - and yes, we need to worry about societal issues as well, but never to the exclusion of the future.
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:53 pm
I really do hate it, when people take things too seriously, and think that the ozone has nothing to do with global warming. xd I am not going to re-explain myself because how can I teach to those who won't listen. I don't believe in it and you do. It's that simple. Maybe I`ll see you in the debate club? wink
"If" by Rudyard Kipling
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools
This is the part of the poem that I think is pertenite. 4laugh
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:57 pm
You put forth: Quote: Yes, UV rays do pass through the ozone layer. Yes UV rays do cause skin cancer. But theres a reason why. The Ozone is like a wooden shield and the UV rays are like shrapnel bullets. The wooden shield can stop the majority of the shrapnel but some still get through. You can't expect the ozone to completely stop the power of the sun! Which is not the issue at hand. The theory of global warming says that too many UV rays are being trapped on the earth, not that too many are entering. Please explain how you feel the closure of the ozone hole nullifies all known information on global warming. I do not believe your statement that the ice is getting larger - perhaps it is in very specific places - but if you look at the images and listen to the scientists visiting those areas, the overall trend is strongly towards the melting of the glaciers. EDIT: I just found your original post. About that, I'm willing to believe that thick forests trap UV rays and start occasional fires, and I'm also willing to grant that very selective thinning can help to avoid some of those fires. It's an interesting idea, but I think the conclusion that forests are the cause of global warming is absolutely absurd. Forest fires have been getting bigger and hotter every year, hurricanes appear to be getting stronger and more frequent and we have fewer trees than we used to. There's a disconnect there. But your first post introduces more inconsistencies. Quote: the forest fires in California! Which makes all of the carbon dioxid to mess with our Ozone layer. Followed in your next post by: Quote: But so many modern day chicken littles (Like Al Gore) Are saying it's because of too much carbon dioxide that global warming is happening today. So which is it. Do you believe that carbon dioxide can mess with the ozone layer or not? Thanks for the poem about knaves twisting your words, but those are your own words.
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