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Strideo
Crew

PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:12 am


Why, we never stood for such filth back on the farm! scream

There have been cases of law enforcement officers seizing cash from travelers for years. They have been seizing cash based on the mere cynical suspicion that any large sums of cash are most likely involved in drug trafficing. They have been doing this with little or no evidence, often citing no more than a drug dog "barking at the cash" as evidence. This type of seizure has been perpetrated against people who have no criminal background and no physical evidence is presented against them.

In most of these cases the suspected criminal is never even arrested, just detained, searched, and released and then told that they will not be aloud to keep their money and if they want it back then they must sue the law enforcement agency for it's return! That's right, to get the money back a lawsuit must be brought against the eforcement agency that seized the cash.

Just recently the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals overturned a lower court ruling that found "no evidence of drug activity" in a case where a man's cash was seized on the suspicion that it was "drug money".

The news story is here.

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On May 28, 2003, a Nebraska state trooper signaled Gonzolez to pull over his rented Ford Taurus on Interstate 80. The trooper intended to issue a speeding ticket, but noticed the Gonzolez's name was not on the rental contract. The trooper then proceeded to question Gonzolez -- who did not speak English well -- and search the car. The trooper found a cooler containing $124,700 in cash, which he confiscated. A trained drug sniffing dog barked at the rental car and the cash. For the police, this was all the evidence needed to establish a drug crime that allows the force to keep the seized money.

Associates of Gonzolez testified in court that they had pooled their life savings to purchase a refrigerated truck to start a produce business. Gonzolez flew on a one-way ticket to Chicago to buy a truck, but it had sold by the time he had arrived. Without a credit card of his own, he had a third-party rent one for him. Gonzolez hid the money in a cooler to keep it from being noticed and stolen. He was scared when the troopers began questioning him about it. There was no evidence disputing Gonzolez's story.


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"Notwithstanding the fact that claimants seemingly suspicious activities were reasoned away with plausible, and thus presumptively trustworthy, explanations which the government failed to contradict or rebut, I note that no drugs, drug paraphernalia, or drug records were recovered in connection with the seized money," Judge Lay wrote. "There is no evidence claimants were ever convicted of any drug-related crime, nor is there any indication the manner in which the currency was bundled was indicative of
drug use or distribution."


There have been other cases very similar to this one and often time the size of the cash amount is much smaller often not more than $5000. I may cite some specific examples and sources later if it may please the readers and participants of this thread.

This, to me, is another clear example of how the "War on Drugs" is used to interfere in the lives of American citizens. I, for one, do not wish to live in the sort or authoritarian society in which it is a crime to travel with "too much cash" and the punishment for this crime is the automatic forfeiture of said cash to whatever law enforcement agency may happen to find out you have it.

This shall be moved to IDT later.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:18 am


whoa creepy, did you know 95% of all $1 bills have a trace of cocaine on it, because of druggies using it to snort?

Turquoise_Dragon_Master


Strideo
Crew

PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:24 am


Turquoise_Dragon_Master
whoa creepy, did you know 95% of all $1 bills have a trace of cocaine on it, because of druggies using it to snort?
No, I didn't know that, but I figured that just because a drug dog reacts to cash it doesn't make the person holding the cash guilty of anything. I mean, hey, this is CASH who the heck knows where it's been or who was handling it before. gonk
PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:26 am


yeah, if you have a lot of money, maybe your just a tourist, like to go on a cruise and it's cash only, does the system have the "innocent until proven guilty" rule, cuz it's just not fair.

Turquoise_Dragon_Master


Strideo
Crew

PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:34 am


Well, I've heard of this happening to some one who just sold his car for cash and then he bought a one-way plane ticket home because he had delivered the car out of state and he needed to get home. He was stopped and searched at the airport and he had like $8000 in cash seized on suspitions that it was "drug money" and they wouldn't listen to anything he said. Man, how could anyone think this is a good idea?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:45 am


wtf

tinkys85


Turquoise_Dragon_Master

PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:49 am


The world is so cruel
PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 10:00 pm


just to say and tell everyone.. crooks these days are dumb.. because .. thats the kind of people who don't finish school and dont care about their education.

Kazuma San


HereThereAndBackAgain

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:12 am


In some places I’ve worked people come in with big wads of bills in their wallets, but it doesn’t make them crooks. There are lots of people like in that one case where there isn’t a credit card, or a big enough credit on the card, to buy something so cash is a requirement. Not many people accept cheques these days.

Hey, for all we know those dogs might have been trained to sniff out not just drugs, but cash as well.

It just doesn’t make the police any better then the crooks they’re actually supposed to catch. It’s theft plain and simple.

I wonder if that type of crap happens in Canada as well... stare
PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:51 am


I understand where the police are coming from, but I think that they need hard evidence that the money it apart of a crime before they can just confiscate it....grrrr...now I'm angry....

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Quicksolver

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:52 pm


Lucky1ne
I understand where the police are coming from, but I think that they need hard evidence that the money it apart of a crime before they can just confiscate it....grrrr...now I'm angry....


You can't blame them if they never saw that amount of money before in their lives. =3
PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 2:54 pm


AARRGG! sometimes i really hate cops and law enforcement.

CabooseRIF


gamer014

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 4:01 pm


Hey Bill Gates! The law has it's eye on you!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:14 pm


._. That's so messed up. What even happens to this cash?! They just say "too bad, you seem like you could be involved with drugs."

Impish Desires


TheSixStringKid

PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:41 am


You're 90% more likely to find a car full of drug traffickers than someone who just decided to break out their stashed cash and buy a jet plane (wooyeah!)- at least in my state. I think there's a similar policy with banking and withdrawing from your account.

Also, It would be safer not to. You'd might as well hold a sign over your head that says "please rob me." That's why debit/credit cards are so handy.
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