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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:36 pm
I, personally, am Catholic. So before you lynch mob me for saying that, I just wanted to know why is it that people assume someone's a dumb redneck when they state that they're religious? I know this doesn't apply to everyone's views, but from what I've seen in real life and on the internet, people treat those with religious beliefs like total idiots. So the basic question, can someone be an intellectual and religious?
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:19 am
They can. Religion and intellect are not mutually exclusive. It's how one adheres to one's religion that determines whether one is a 'total idiot'. And this applies to all religions, not just christianity. Part of the reason for this is that some people are incapable of combining faith with an inquisitive mind, the strongest indicator of intelligence. The best example of this is the catholic church deeming everyone who practiced the natural sciences a heretic. The church was afraid that science would undermine their claim of being the only path to god, enlightenment and wisdom. Or even worse, what if science would suggest that god does not exist. Today still, many christians fly in the face of evidence by denying irrevocable physical evidence (eg. denying the existence of dinosaurs) simply because it doesn't occur in the bible.
The best advocate for intellect and religion to be compatible is Gallileo Gallilei. A devout catholic who, despite many protests from the church, pursued the quest of science, and can, without a doubt, be named among the greatest scientists this world has seen to date.
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:53 am
If you want a more recent example: Steven Colbert. Check any serious interview with him and you'll learn he's an intelligently raised Catholic.
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 12:32 pm
i am a religious person, and Im an intellectual as well. I am part of the Nation of Gods and Earth, and we have many philosophies, and teachings that we study, so yeah you can say it is a such thing as a religious intellectual. (that wasnt well said, but if you want to know more about us, click on this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_percenter )
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Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:35 pm
I am christian, but no one brach.
To be intelligent and religous is not hard to do. Some of the most intelligent people in the world from years before, to current times have been christians.
This all comes down to the person, do you believe simply because someone tells you to, or do you believe because you desire to?
Look, listen, learn, and never simply blow something off because you think you know it, learn it first.
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:19 pm
The Stupidest Angel I, personally, am Catholic. So before you lynch mob me for saying that, I just wanted to know why is it that people assume someone's a dumb redneck when they state that they're religious? I know this doesn't apply to everyone's views, but from what I've seen in real life and on the internet, people treat those with religious beliefs like total idiots. So the basic question, can someone be an intellectual and religious? Absolutely. I've also been a Catholic all my life, but a few years ago I was thinking of giving it up to be agnostic (Because that's what all the cool kids were doing. rolleyes ). But then my Dad stepped in. He's also been raised Catholic, but he really has a great understanding of the faith and why he believes what he does. At first I didn't like it, traditional rebellion against your parents, but the more we talked, the more I understood as well. I expected it to be the bible-thumping "You're going to go to Hell if you do this!" sort of thing, but he rationally laid out his positions and backed them up logically. I was impressed, and now whenever I have questions or just want to talk, I go to my Dad. Through the whole experience, I learned a lot about myself, my faith, and have a new respect for my parents. We weren't really that close before, but now I really have someone I can talk with. 3nodding
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:52 pm
To Altae: That's pretty cool of him and of you. You mentioned the thing about changing to agnosticism just because it's popular. I completely agree with that, I've thought about it before but, I guess I didn't go through with it because my faith has influenced me so much. I'll mention that I'm religious (I guess you can identify being a cradle Catholic) and they'll assume I've only stuck with it because that's all I know. Nothing against all other religions but I guess I just identify with mine the most. Which is kind of like logic and religion, what religion's montra and logic one agrees with dictates a lot about them.
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Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:53 pm
P.S. Altae?
LOVE THE SIGGY!
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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 4:43 pm
I live in Hicksville, NC and right now in biology we've entered the wonderful topic of evolution. The only thing that's kept me from going insane is the fact that an equally religious and intelligent girl sits next to me. I don't understand why nobody can see that the Bible's story of creation and the scientific explantion are not vastly different. To believe in one doesn't stray far from believing in the other. I believe in both science and God. People think science has nothing to do with God. What is science but the result of what God has done?
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:39 pm
The difference is a fundamental leap of faith for either side. If you are religious, then you believe that there is a purpose to all of this. If not, then you are fine with the idea that there is none.
As such, there is currently no experimental procedure that can prove whether something has purpose or not, and whether something has been designed intelligently or through nature.
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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 2:05 pm
I think that there is nothing wrong with being intelligent and being a Christian. I think mostly that stereotype comes from the bible thumpers, holy rollers (don't ask, but if you REALLY want to know, I'll tell you biggrin ) and fire and brimstone preachers that just really scream and yell at people which really doesn't help in my opinion. I don't know if I'm like really intelligent or not, I just know that I love God and I try my best to serve him as the best Christian young woman I can be biggrin Though I do falter from time to time, I still just want to try and do my best.
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:29 am
Jhesy I live in Hicksville, NC and right now in biology we've entered the wonderful topic of evolution. The only thing that's kept me from going insane is the fact that an equally religious and intelligent girl sits next to me. I don't understand why nobody can see that the Bible's story of creation and the scientific explantion are not vastly different. To believe in one doesn't stray far from believing in the other. I believe in both science and God. People think science has nothing to do with God. What is science but the result of what God has done? Agreed! I've had a theory for awhile. Why isn't evolution just God's version of creation. Cells, chemicals and time are just as much under his control as anything else. Why can't they all just mesh together?
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:15 pm
The Stupidest Angel Jhesy I live in Hicksville, NC and right now in biology we've entered the wonderful topic of evolution. The only thing that's kept me from going insane is the fact that an equally religious and intelligent girl sits next to me. I don't understand why nobody can see that the Bible's story of creation and the scientific explantion are not vastly different. To believe in one doesn't stray far from believing in the other. I believe in both science and God. People think science has nothing to do with God. What is science but the result of what God has done? Agreed! I've had a theory for awhile. Why isn't evolution just God's version of creation. Cells, chemicals and time are just as much under his control as anything else. Why can't they all just mesh together? That's what I believe as well. 3nodding God sets the universe in motion and makes the system so sustainable and thorough that countless volumes can be written about the way things work. Even when different theories conflict, there will be some truth to each of them as long as they're not entirely made up by their authors.
I believe that God chooses to grant us the freedom to believe what we will, and that is a part of why His existence can neither be proven nor disproven, and why old theories are eventually obsoleted by future discoveries.
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:18 pm
Here's another question for ya - why, when people say they're religious, does everyone assume they believe in the Christian's God?
Honestly, I consider myself to be religious, and intelligent, but I'm Wiccan. But, if someone asked me if I was religious, most would assume I'm Christian or Catholic or I follow some form of the monotheistic religions, mainly believing in 'God' (as apposed to things like Buddha, etc., ya know)
And I hate it when people explain things saying "God meant it to be this way" Or simply using their 'God' as support to something, assuming everyone else also believes in that same god.
heart Blessed Be heart
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Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:09 am
A lot of them... hmmm... C.S. Lewis is an example, an atheist turned Christian. He's an author & scholar.
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