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Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:53 pm
You all should find this thread interesting, and I think it will make for some interesting discussion and possibly debates. About the war in Iraq and Afganistan. Who supports it and who doesn't? I doubt there will be many that aren't supporting it like myself but then again I could be suprised.
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:16 am
I think it is the most disgusting waste of time, men and weapons in recent history.
Firstly, there was no proof there were any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq...if there were some known ones, it was because George Bush Sr. SOLD it to them.
Secondly, how long has North Korea been saying, "LOOK GUYS! WE HAVE NUKES!" and nothing has been done about it? A long time, even I know that. But you see, here is that problem in all of this...
North Korea doesn't have oil. Iraq does.
This whole thing is a war on greed and oil, it is a war to finish what G.B Sr. started to do, and failed at.
Now, I know you might think that since I am not American, that I do not have a valued opinion, but truth be told, the rest of the world thinks it is a stupid idea too. Americans might be all for it, but everyone I talk to seems to think it is a joke.
George Bush is one of the most hated President's, and there is no doubt about that.
As for Afghanistan, I guess the USA is still looking for Bin Ladin...good luck. And I would like it very much is the USA would STOP killing my people in 'frendly fire' incidents.
Death Count = 5.
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:40 am
I'm sickened by the war as well. I also agree on North Korea. Iraq's threat was contained (according to the UN). North Korea is crazy dangerous, but Bush isn't doing anything to even communicate with them.
Also, I don't buy the whole "we had to help them, that's what the US does" thing. What about Tibet? What about Darfur? Shouldn't we be helping them first? Whatever.
I also like (that's INTENSE sarcasm, by the way) how the death count in Iraq is rapidly nearing the death count for 9/11. Last time I checked, it was over 2800.
Yeah, Mr. Bush. You won't support stem cell research, you won't support abortion, but you'll support and make jokes about the uncalled-for deaths of thousands of young Americans. What a great president.
Also, R i o k u, I'm sure you'll be happy to hear that most Americans do not support the war. The approval count for the Bush Administration and the War in Iraq is dropping like mad.
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:45 am
Tyshia I'm sickened by the war as well. I also agree on North Korea. Iraq's threat was contained (according to the UN). North Korea is crazy dangerous, but Bush isn't doing anything to even communicate with them. Also, I don't buy the whole "we had to help them, that's what the US does" thing. What about Tibet? What about Darfur? Shouldn't we be helping them first? Whatever. I also like (that's INTENSE sarcasm, by the way) how the death count in Iraq is rapidly nearing the death count for 9/11. Last time I checked, it was over 2800. Yeah, Mr. Bush. You won't support stem cell research, you won't support abortion, but you'll support and make jokes about the uncalled-for deaths of thousands of young Americans. What a great president. Also, R i o k u, I'm sure you'll be happy to hear that most Americans do not support the war. The approval count for the Bush Administration and the War in Iraq is dropping like mad. Yes, agreed.
Wow, that is a hell of a lot of people who are dead. I might not agree with the war, but I am sorry to hear that people's lives are being affected, and without good reason.
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:22 pm
I think that bush should just suck it up and take out the troops and send people over who are going to help and the whole war has just been a waste a life! If people are willing to kill 100s of 1000s of inisent Iraq's because cause all the americans care about is their own people who have no right to ne there! if they dropp an bomb how do you know it won't kill civilyans!
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:32 pm
I can't say, I support it but, they do have oil. So Bush wants that Oil, so thats why he keeps the troops there. I don't support Bush's plan, what so ever.
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:34 pm
R i o k u Now, I know you might think that since I am not American, that I do not have a valued opinion, but truth be told, the rest of the world thinks it is a stupid idea too. Americans might be all for it, but everyone I talk to seems to think it is a joke. I assure you, we Americans are not all for it. There is a good percentage that supports the war, however, although I doubt they support it for reasons that would be logical to the rest of the world.
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:11 pm
I just reliezed something the war isn't in Japan so I shouldn't care..... But if I didn't that would be cruel of me! I think that is was is a stupid war. And you know what else I feel bad for IraQ they had to deal with Americans and most of them never did anything to America. You know what else is funny how many Americans think the war is because of 9/11 of because we have freedom. I bet you half of America doesn't even know why their at war.
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Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:16 pm
dboyzero R i o k u Now, I know you might think that since I am not American, that I do not have a valued opinion, but truth be told, the rest of the world thinks it is a stupid idea too. Americans might be all for it, but everyone I talk to seems to think it is a joke. I assure you, we Americans are not all for it. There is a good percentage that supports the war, however, although I doubt they support it for reasons that would be logical to the rest of the world. There is no logical reson for war it just kills many more people then ever neede to get hurt so there for supporting the war has no logical reasons. Whats with all the Americans now saying we shouldn't be there when the vote to go to war 99 to 1 percent only one person was aginst the war to begin with!
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 3:24 am
War is a complicated issue, and not nearly as simple as you would think.
The trouble comes from trying to judge or prejudge a situation. After the first world war, during Germany's rise to power, the rest of Europe wished to avoid war, and granted Hitler many things, hoping that he would take them and be satisfied. As we all should know, this did not end up being the case, and a much greater loss of lives could have been avoided had war been declared early, rather than letting him go forth and conquer and gain a solid foothold first.
In the case of Iraq, while it is not technically a war, the decisions for invading Iraq were shaky at best, and gradually lost credibility as time went on. The only reason we are still there currently is because of the backlash violence that erupted because of the invasion and Saddam's ousting, and we will probably not leave for quite some time, waiting for Iraq to have a capable enough law enforcement agency to deal with it on its own.
People were for the invasion at its conception for a few reasons:
1. It was still fresh from Sept. 11, and people were unsatisfied with the lack of results in Afgahnistan looking for Osama bin Laden. Thus, Iraq made a geographically convenient scapegoat. 2. With gas prices on the rise, the economic benefits of looting Iraq's oil was especially enticing to many Americans. 3. Saddam had a long history of despotism, and people knew this from Bush Sr. in the Gulf War. It was easy to convince people that he was a threat to National Security, and that he should be removed from power immediately.
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:51 am
dboyzero War is a complicated issue, and not nearly as simple as you would think. The trouble comes from trying to judge or prejudge a situation. After the first world war, during Germany's rise to power, the rest of Europe wished to avoid war, and granted Hitler many things, hoping that he would take them and be satisfied. As we all should know, this did not end up being the case, and a much greater loss of lives could have been avoided had war been declared early, rather than letting him go forth and conquer and gain a solid foothold first. In the case of Iraq, while it is not technically a war, the decisions for invading Iraq were shaky at best, and gradually lost credibility as time went on. The only reason we are still there currently is because of the backlash violence that erupted because of the invasion and Saddam's ousting, and we will probably not leave for quite some time, waiting for Iraq to have a capable enough law enforcement agency to deal with it on its own. People were for the invasion at its conception for a few reasons: 1. It was still fresh from Sept. 11, and people were unsatisfied with the lack of results in Afgahnistan looking for Osama bin Laden. Thus, Iraq made a geographically convenient scapegoat. 2. With gas prices on the rise, the economic benefits of looting Iraq's oil was especially enticing to many Americans. 3. Saddam had a long history of despotism, and people knew this from Bush Sr. in the Gulf War. It was easy to convince people that he was a threat to National Security, and that he should be removed from power immediately. 1. Take into consideration that maybe a small group of people were involved in 9/11, and attacking a country that could have had nothing to do with it is not right. 2. If it isn't yours, don't take it. I come from a nation containing alot of oil, and I am sure the USA would never dare to loot us. It is theft. 3. Alot of nations have a long history of conflict, or genoside for that matter. Do something worth while, go to Sudan and help the people there.
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:26 pm
My apologies if I was unclear. I was IN NO WAY defending the actions of the United States in the issue. We were dead wrong for invading Iraq and there are plenty of places where we could better spend our resources for the good of mankind, like Sudan, North Korea, etc. I was merely explaining the possible reasons people in America supported the invasion when it began, and it should be noted that the majority of Americans have now changed their mind, and are against the occupation.
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:16 pm
I can clearly say that I am one of the Americans who have no idea why we are at war with Iraq and that I am one of the Americans who don't support the war... maybe the two are connected....? Anyway I've had plenty of neighbors and friends relatives go off to war and not come back, and for what? years ago Bush Sr. tried to help Iraq and well, we know how that turned out. So I say that the U.S. presidents should take a leaf from Woodrow Wilson's book and butt out of foreign affairs unless strictly asked for it. Enough of the suspisions, and stick with actual proof. Bush needs to start getting troops out of Iraq. NOW.
(Brooke's venting of the day)
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 9:23 am
Immortal_Tennis I bet you half of America doesn't even know why their at war. I bet you the administration doesn't even know why they're at war, either. Every time someone asks why the US is at war with Iraq, they probably get a big tophat full of little paper scraps with BS reasons written on them, and fish around for a bit before pulling one out and trying to pass it off as valid. I'm not a big fan of war to begin with, but here's the thing - I would be all sorts of supporting if they hadn't mislead us into starting the thing in the first place. If we ran in there saying things like "We must get Saddam! His evil and tyranny must be stopped!" I would back that 100%. Instead, we get the runaround about a bunch of nuclear weapons, talk about the 9/11 incident when it is in no way connected to Iraq, and loads of other things I can't bring to mind. I wouldn't be surprised if they blamed the Bird Flu on Iraq, if it would get people to join the cause. And I have no doubt that they'll do it again in the near future, too. Watch out Iraq, Iran, Venezuela, Sudan, North Korea... Okay, the list is getting depressing, I'm just going to stop now.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:08 am
George Bush = the biggest dumbass and most hated president EVER.
Yeah, I am an American. I f*****g hate George Bush. What he has done to Iraq and Afghanistan is ridiculous. He had NO right to go into Iraq in the first damn place. There was absolutely NO proof that they had weapons of mass destruction. He just wanted to put the blame on ANYONE HE POSSIBLY COULD for 9/11. And yeah, I was pissed about that day, and I was only a 5th grader when it happened. And thought that was a terrible, terrible day, it was INEXCUSEABLE for him to randomly decide to invade Iraq and change their government.
And now he doesn't f*****g understand why they aren't cooperating with us? I just don't understand him. It is totally understandable that they won't cooperate. Hell, I WOULDN'T COOPERATE IF I WERE THEM!!! He wants to fix their government, but they didn't exactly want it to be fixed. And now he's like, we need to win this war...when it wasn't even a freaking war in the first place. They didn't want it. We are just greedy f***ers that want their oil.
Anyways. That's my rant. If you'd liek to comment...go ahead. Also feel free to PM me.
bye. love. heart
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