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 Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:47 pm
Heres on for ya ,
Why is it that if "george" drops out of high school , and lives a regular life , he is constantly looked down upon , and ridiculed as a lazy , stupid , failure
, but when "fred" drops out , and makes it big years later he is looked at as a genius , a hard worker , and a credit to humanity for overcoming the odds as a drop out .
Dose money make you a better person in the eyes of others?
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Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:36 pm
Murfynation Heres on for ya , Why is it that if "george" drops out of high school , and lives a regular life , he is constantly looked down upon , and ridiculed as a lazy , stupid , failure , but when "fred" drops out , and makes it big years later he is looked at as a genius , a hard worker , and a credit to humanity for overcoming the odds as a drop out . Dose money make you a better person in the eyes of others? Yes if the others are shallow..... oh like so many people.
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Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:25 pm
money makes no one better
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Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:38 pm
Dazed0711 Murfynation Heres on for ya , Why is it that if "george" drops out of high school , and lives a regular life , he is constantly looked down upon , and ridiculed as a lazy , stupid , failure , but when "fred" drops out , and makes it big years later he is looked at as a genius , a hard worker , and a credit to humanity for overcoming the odds as a drop out . Dose money make you a better person in the eyes of others? Yes if the others are shallow..... oh like so many people. I agree w/ her. Money shouldn't make a difference, but it does ta certain (shallow) people.
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Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 4:24 pm
Quote: Does money make you a better person in the eyes of others?
What makes a person a better person to you?
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Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 10:42 pm
money doesnt make you a better person, but because it only makes you more rich and have a great desire for material possesions .... and lots more (my opinion)
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Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 6:58 pm
Money might not make a person better, but it is all that matters in the world.
I mean, I would like to say "Money doesn't matter, it is who the person is." but in reality it just doesn't work like that. Money is what drives people to do everything. You want to do good in school, to go to college, to get that high paying job. Lottery tickets, fancy cars, we as humans just love showing off.
As for people who drop out? Well, let's hope they bring in the bucks, because if they don't, those 'shallow' people will think the same about them, that they are doomed to go no where in life.
Just telling it like it is people.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 5:29 pm
Money is as effective as you allow it to be. Currency is nothing to one who will not give up their possessions or offer their services for any monetary price. "Money makes the world go 'round" because most people choose to allow it to do so.
Success is a complicated relationship between personal satisfaction, inner contentment, and third party recognition. A situation as proposed by the opening defines success purely as a measure of third party recognition, which isn't entirely accurate.
But within the scope of the opening question, yes, money does make better in the eyes of others because it's far easier to measure and verify than any number of intangible qualities whose significance is subjective and variable from person to person. I share Keiji's opinion that currency is a grave mistake, but with all the ways our society likes to objectively measure people--grades, monetary wealth, positions of authority, memberships in reputable societies, and so on--it's no wonder that more personal (and subjective) virtues are swept under the rug like so much statistical noise.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:33 pm
The question is, then, is it feasible or even possible to use any other measurement?
For example, many families claim that the standardized testing process is biased, and thus should not be used in college acceptance. However, short of conducting one-on-one interviews with every applicant to determine these "more personal (and subjective) virtues," is there really any way to bypass some form of standardization or testing?
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:51 am
How much good have these measurements done, really? Aside from temporarily placating the human desire to be compared to others, how much good has standardised testing, standard policies for hiring, standard operating procedures, and other such things done for society?
There's so much infrastructure in the way that actual innovation in an organisation is hindered by all the inertia working against it...
In countries with deathly competitive businesses, where companies can be wiped out overnight by any of the other establishments on the same street, business owners and employees break every rule they can--if they bothered with making rules in the first place--to make the customer a better offer. Practices that are held like trade secrets.
There are students who know the correct answer to lengthy, highly complex equations by the time the teacher finishes putting it on the board, without having any idea how they arrived at those conclusions. They often have great difficulty trying to explain how they arrived at those conclusions since their ways are often illogical and seemingly random.
The true measure of a person's success isn't how well they look on paper, but how well they make use of the skills and resources they do have in real-world environments.
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:37 am
I agree that real-world environments and applications are the end-game to any skill set, and those that have that ability will be successful regardless of how well they do in school.
However, for the rest of us who are in need of more training and guidance, we still need a method of sorting things out. The good that these measurements have done is that we've reduced (not eliminated) subjective or biased practices in hiring and schooling, such as the hiring of friends and family over those who are more competent, or the non-hiring of women or people of color.
The bit about businesses seems like a bit of stretch for the topic at hand, but I think I know what you're getting at. Regardless, not every business or corporation is some evil entity bent on conquering the world.
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:41 pm
Yes, it seems that I was too eager to draw on extreme examples. Sorry about that.
But one of my recurring frustrations with standardisation is that it takes so long to get anything done. Sending faulty computer parts back to the manufacturer for exchange takes weeks to months... An inventory count takes days longer than it has to because roles are chosen by seniority and not by ability... The true cause of a frequently damaged product is not uncovered because nobody wants to go through the motions and paperwork of a formal investigation...
Sometimes, it seems so much easier to let people do what they want the way they want to do it. confused When faced with a problem, not everyone arrives at the same solutions through the same means. Attempting to force it that way with rules and infrastructure helps everyone produce suboptimal results. *sigh*
At least my current employer is not so strict that I have to do things that I consider very much counter-intuitive. One of the pitfalls to standardisation is that it favours logical/sequential/linear thinkers. (I'm none of those.)
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 3:00 pm
There is a definite advantage to those who are more left-brained, and it's probably my bias towards that mindset, although I do find myself a bit of both minds.
For now, let's return this topic to its discussion of money and how it affects your status and standing, geared towards those who end their schooling prematurely.
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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:43 pm
It's not a matter of financial means. I look down upon anyone who drops out unless they prove that they are worth my time. It usually laziness or drug abuse that precedes the action of dropping out. Neither of those are acceptable, in my book.
For Christ's sake, I don't care if you go to college, just finish the free stuff that isn't rocket science.
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Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:56 pm
Emo_Wolf666 Dazed0711 Murfynation Heres on for ya , Why is it that if "george" drops out of high school , and lives a regular life , he is constantly looked down upon , and ridiculed as a lazy , stupid , failure , but when "fred" drops out , and makes it big years later he is looked at as a genius , a hard worker , and a credit to humanity for overcoming the odds as a drop out . Dose money make you a better person in the eyes of others? Yes if the others are shallow..... oh like so many people. I agree w/ her. Money shouldn't make a difference, but it does ta certain (shallow) people. agreed...
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