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Ultra Sarah

PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 7:55 pm


I heard this from my mom:

Apparently the native Alaskans have special permission from the government to go whaling because it is an important part of their culture. But recently they killed a whale that was (at least) 150 years old. They knew this for sure only until after the whale was dead because of a weapon that was commonly used in whaling a hundred and fifty years ago, but the whale was huge and it was obvious that it was very old.

I think that whaling should be outlawed for them too, now, if they're going to go that far. They don't need to kill giant whales as a part of their culture. Slavery was once an important part of American culture, and we don't do that anymore, do we?

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Whaling
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 5:33 pm


Well it's not as if they purposely target old whales, and the reason why the have permission is probably because it has always been a central and integral part of their culture. Its a similar situation with the native Americans and Buffalo. Every year certain tribes have rights to kill a certain number of buffalo because it is part of their culture. (buffalo burgers are really good)

Another thing is, its not like they are just KILLING them. They use everything that they can from the meat to the skin and bones. Its not a sport for them, its part of their life and they aren't WASTING everything. Im sure the government also regulates how many whales they get to kill so they aren't being over hunted.

I don't think that its much of an issue really, and they should be allowed to continue as they are.

mushroom maya


Ultra Sarah

PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 7:48 pm


Most of this is assumptions .. eh?

They do use everything. I never said they wasted it. But they don't need giant whales. And the government does regulate two whales per tribe a year.

They do purposely hunt old whales ... because those ones are bigger. A lot bigger. They do this every year, they should know how old the whales are. Really they shouldn't be allowed to hunt any whales.

And a direct response to this:
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and the reason why the have permission is probably because it has always been a central and integral part of their culture.


Like I said, slavery was once a vital part of American lifestyle and economy.

There is a lot of evidence showing that whales are highly intelligent creatures.
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:47 am


"because it has always been a central and integral part of their culture" - that is just lame reason and excuse. They don't need whales, they don't need their flesh. Also Canada don't need the 350 000 seals. It's all premeditated murder. It's a genocide.

aeset


Ultra Sarah

PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:01 pm


No no.

Whalocide and sealocide.

Sorry. Couldn't resist.
PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:08 am


Ultra Sarah
No no.

Whalocide and sealocide.

Sorry. Couldn't resist.


mrgreen It's right.
But not a bit funny...

aeset


Ultra Sarah

PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:35 am


It's not funny that it's happening, I just think the words are funny.

But back to seriousness.

I agree with you. We have technology and shipping capabitities that make their culture defunct.

But as you say that, you have to think: Hunting is a popular sport in America.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 4:34 am


I do agree and disagree with what your saying. I do agree that whaling is wrong and that it should be stopped only if they were doing it to try and retain their culture. but only if retaining their culture means killing the whale just to keep their traditions alive. if they hunt the whales as a means to keep living, then i think it should be aloud. too much tradition has been lost over the years. whailing allows these people to eat while remembering their past. and even though we have the ability to make their culture defunct, we don't have the right to go in and say your way is wrong, you have to change it. to me that is just a repeat of european settlers destroying native american traditions. they too saw it as wrong and needed to be changed.
maybe a mock whale hunt would be better. hunt the whales with non leathal means like tranqs, and at the same time give them food to continue living. that way tradition can be kept alive and the can still live.

spearquest

Aged Streaker


Lord Mar

PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 11:59 am


Perhaps since the native Alaskan tribe hunt older whales because of their size, then maybe we should stop the fishers of the world fishing. They too go for the bigger and older sized fish. Or stop the hunters of the world for hunting. They also go for the bigger game. Your opinion is differnent to others. Should we all just start living like you do. Who are you to tell people what is right and what is wrong Who is anybody to tell someone else they are wrong for what they do? The 'moral majority', perhaps the politicians. I know I don't have the right to tell anybody what is right or wrong. Perhaps my niece, but I know the final decision is left to her parents. Should we just go through and wipe out a civilization because we disagree with the things they do? If you think that they should stop because they killed an old whale, then you are no better than Adolf Hitler who believed that the Jews were inferior to him and decided that they were wrong. We all know where that ended. How about we worry about the more pressing issues. Like the fact that there are more people in prison today than there were ten years ago. Or that the murder rate has increased drastically in the last ten years. Or how about the people who drive drunk and kill other people. In my final thoughts let me ask everybody this. Do you eat meat? I don't care what kind of meat, just meat. If that is the case, then you are just like them. Should someone come through and tell you to stop eating meat because you kill the older cows. Me personally, I would rather kill the older cow than the younger one.
PostPosted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:06 pm


i feel that inuit and other first nations are as important as natural species and should be allowed to hunt and fish according to their traditions.

it is not right for us to impose our standards upon them.

they by themselves will not do significant damage to those species.

.............

Japan kills many times more whales than anyone on North America; go try dealing with them if you are concerned.

chessiejo


Lord Mar

PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:52 pm


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Japan kills many times more whales than anyone on North America; go try dealing with them if you are concerned.


That is a good point!
PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 7:51 pm


My opinion is:
I dont think anyone should be allowed to kill something, regardless of what it it, just because it was part of their culture.
OK.Long ago, their culture may have depended on a certain animal for food or warm clothing or other things, so it was fine killing the animal back then.
But it isnt neccesary to kill animals like whales or buffalo anymore. And I could have sworn(last I heard) that certain types of whales were dying out.
k, im done

AvariciaMooneater


Calypsophia

PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:13 pm


Ultra Sarah
I heard this from my mom:

Apparently the native Alaskans have special permission from the government to go whaling because it is an important part of their culture. But recently they killed a whale that was (at least) 150 years old. They knew this for sure only until after the whale was dead because of a weapon that was commonly used in whaling a hundred and fifty years ago, but the whale was huge and it was obvious that it was very old.

I think that whaling should be outlawed for them too, now, if they're going to go that far. They don't need to kill giant whales as a part of their culture. Slavery was once an important part of American culture, and we don't do that anymore, do we?

Discuss:

Whaling
Culture Issues


eskimos depend on whale fat and oil to survive. it is how they've survived for thousands of years. and, the eskimo population is really quite small. they only take what they need (unfortunately, they cant control *which* whales they run into, nor can they jump in an physically examine the beast before they decide to kill it), unlike us other folk, who do it.. commercially.. as in LARGE scale.. taking waaay more than they need. they take as much as they do because the more they take the more money they'll get. eskimos have been doing what they're doing for hundreds upon hundreds of years and it's not hurt anything environmentally. stop the greedy commercial whaling and there will be no problem for the species survival.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:17 am


Aurelia the Neko Witch
My opinion is:
I dont think anyone should be allowed to kill something, regardless of what it it, just because it was part of their culture.
OK.Long ago, their culture may have depended on a certain animal for food or warm clothing or other things, so it was fine killing the animal back then.
But it isnt neccesary to kill animals like whales or buffalo anymore. And I could have sworn(last I heard) that certain types of whales were dying out.
k, im done


are you a vegetarian?

Calypsophia


King Of Shadowz

PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:25 pm


Ultra Sarah
I heard this from my mom:

Apparently the native Alaskans have special permission from the government to go whaling because it is an important part of their culture. But recently they killed a whale that was (at least) 150 years old. They knew this for sure only until after the whale was dead because of a weapon that was commonly used in whaling a hundred and fifty years ago, but the whale was huge and it was obvious that it was very old.

I think that whaling should be outlawed for them too, now, if they're going to go that far. They don't need to kill giant whales as a part of their culture. Slavery was once an important part of American culture, and we don't do that anymore, do we?

Discuss:

Whaling
Culture Issues

just beacause they accidentaly caught a 150 year old whale doesnt mean that they are going to extremes. the whale may have not even been 150- it could have ran into that weapon or something.
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