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spearquest

Aged Streaker

PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 6:06 am


abortion has been a heavy debate for a long time now, and many feel strongly about whether it should be allowed or not. myself, i don't believe in killing a child cuz the child can always be giving to a family who does want it. but i also believe that under certain circumstances abortion should be allowed.

In a situation when a woman is raped and somehow becomes pregnant, should she be allowed to have an abortion since it was a traumatic experiance and it was concieved without her choice, or should she have to carry the child til birth then decide whether to keep it or give it up?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:29 am


Believe it or not, but some statistics have actually shown that women who are raped tend to keep the baby from such a tramatic experience sometimes more often than married women.

Keiji Death Kiss


spearquest

Aged Streaker

PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 8:51 am


i have never heard of those stats before. do you think the women involved, beyond their religious beliefs, felt sorry for the baby being born under those conditions that they wanted to try and raise it under positive conditions? There have been situations i've seen where a weak willed person who was not at fault for what happened to them tries to take responsibility for it instead of the person who actually cuased the problem. maybe that's a reason, i don't know.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 7:02 pm


First-I dont see how both sides can be cruel to eachother. You have PROLIFE, who are called Nochoice, and you have Pro Choice who are called No life, prodeath.
Second-
I am PROLIFE. Murder is wrong. I dont give a crap if you were raped. God Obviously wanted you to have the baby. A baby would make something good out of a horrrible situation. Murder is wrong, weather to a 30 yr old man or a baby in the womb. And that is all She wrote

Doofus Maximus


spearquest

Aged Streaker

PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 7:14 pm


so your saying that if a junior high or high schooler got pregnent and had this trauma brought on to her life without her concent, it is god's will that she suffer at a young age with a baby of her own. confused
PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:04 am


mynyori
i have never heard of those stats before. do you think the women involved, beyond their religious beliefs, felt sorry for the baby being born under those conditions that they wanted to try and raise it under positive conditions? There have been situations i've seen where a weak willed person who was not at fault for what happened to them tries to take responsibility for it instead of the person who actually cuased the problem. maybe that's a reason, i don't know.

He'll always be my



My family lifestyles teacher's daughter (22 years old)
was raped and kept the baby.
The adorable little girl (Maya) is a little over a year old now.
This is all well and good,
but what bothers me is that she lets Maya
stay with the dad on weekends.
Yeah, the dad, the one that raped her.
I'd be afraid of him hurting the baby.


But anyway, as for my opinion on abortion.
I'm pro-choice.
A women shouldn't have to go through
nine months of carrying a baby then how ever many hours of labor
just to give the baby away.
I believe the reason people go through with abortions
rather than putting it up for adoption
is because they don't feel ready for what it does you.

Now, if a young teenage girl gets pregnant
her body might not be fully developed
and having the baby would be dangerous to
her, and the baby's, health.
Let alone the responsibilty it would require
and what it would do to the teen's education.

All this is not to say I am pro-death.
Being pro-choice does not mean I
think it's right to kill babies.
Many extremely pro-life people will use
the argument that pro-chioce=pro-death.
They will say that we support murder.
Being pro-choice means believing a woman
has the right to decide what happens with her body,
not have everyone else force her to do something.
When a girl is deciding if she should have an abortion or have the baby
we won't try to influence her either way.

If a woman gets pregnant (unplanned)
and doesn't believe in abortion,
she can have her baby.
But why does it matter to her
what other women do about their unplanned pregnancies.
If they decide to have an abortion,
it doesn't effect those who don't believe in abortion.

Although I am pro-choice,
I tend to lean towards the idea of keeping the baby.
Many women who have abortions
regret it for the rest of their lives.
This regret may even lead to severe depression.



S u p e r h e r o <3

Sarallelogram


Keiji Death Kiss

PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:27 pm


Doofus Maximus
First-I dont see how both sides can be cruel to eachother. You have PROLIFE, who are called Nochoice, and you have Pro Choice who are called No life, prodeath.
Second-
I am PROLIFE. Murder is wrong. I dont give a crap if you were raped. God Obviously wanted you to have the baby. A baby would make something good out of a horrrible situation. Murder is wrong, weather to a 30 yr old man or a baby in the womb. And that is all She wrote


Speaking in the manner of which you do does not reflect any kinder on your point of view. You do not see how both sides can be cruel to each other, and yet the manner in which you speak to someone who is contemplating on this issue is in the exact fashion of which you do not like Pro-life speaking to Pro-choice or vise versa. It is understandable that you would feel passionately about such a widely debated subject, but perhaps you might want to consider how you are wording things.

As for the thoughts in a young woman's head after rape that would keep a child...it is hard to say. Then...there are other options available to young women who are pregnant...there is always adoption.
PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 7:37 pm


thank you for your view points on this topic. i like to see where people stand on issues like this.

spearquest

Aged Streaker


Calypsophia

PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:44 pm


here is my take on it. I'm pro choice, and the *main* reason I am pro choice is because if a woman doesnt want to carry a child, she will find a way to get rid of it anyway. legally or not. and if it was made illegal, she would find more dangerous ways of getting it done. in past centuries women have died trying to abort and unwanted pregnancy. women have been known to do it themselves.. with coathangers! or find some sadistic idiot who says he'll do it for a small fee. If people are going to do it anyway... and they WILL if they're desperate enough, let them go to a place where it can be done safely.

It's largely an issue of individual ethics anyway, not social ethics. it IS the womans body after all, it would be on her conscious and no one elses business. just like many other issues that are hot debate topics in this day and age.
PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:51 pm


"A women shouldn't have to go through
nine months of carrying a baby then how ever many hours of labor
just to give the baby away."

lets not forget the risk of the mother dying in childbirth. it happens less these days, but it does still happen.

Calypsophia


Khalida Nyoka
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:53 pm


I have no objection to abortion from rape. I object in all other scenarios, because it meant the female willingly engaged in a sexual act without proper care or planning.


My opinion is that it would be her and her "boyfriend's" fault entirely. Either they should have had some self control, or they should have dealt with the possibility before hand (condoms, and any (or maybe many) other physical contraceptive(s)... a small portion of women are not affected by "the pill").

From that point, the female would have to raise the child along with the male. Maybe then they will learn responsibility and self control.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:50 am


my honest oppinion is that any one want an abortion, is simply admitting there own lack of abilities to raise a child, i do understand that in a case of "rape" that they most likely are not in the situation to raise a child, but why not try, no one will hold it agains you if you have to put the child up for adoption, at leqast you tried to preserve life.......

MenDia


Calypsophia

PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:14 am


one can get pregnant while using protection. nothing gives 100% protection. my first husband was wearing a condom when I concieved my son. even the pill isnt completely fool proof. it happens even then.

and yes, those who seek abortion are admitting they lack the ability to raise a child... at least at THAT time in her life. but that doesnt go for always. people grow and change over time. honestly, if someone doesnt trust her own self in being a parent, why should anyone else trust her either?

this is a standard example of the idea that what is good for one person might be bad to another, as mentioned in another thread somewhere. honestly, who are we to judge? what someone else does with her body is none of my business anyway. it doesnt affect me.

besides... there are enough unwanted children in the world. I'd feel equally bad creating more.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:12 am


I'm pro-choice, forcing someone to keep their child after being raped or even because they had bad judgement is wrong to me. The decision on whether someone gets an abortion should be between the mother and the father (unless their raped then it would probably only be the mother). For someone to come in and tell you that you have to keep your child just doesn't seem right to me. do they know if you can support a child? do they know that you wouldn't be able to go to college or complete an education with a child?
yes there's adoption, but some parents don't want that kind of life for their possible child.

Ms._Fashion_Victim_2006


Fuku Taichou

PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:14 pm


First off, I want to say that I don't feel that abortion should be used as the "cure-all" solution for people who are stupid when it comes to sex. However, I AM pro-choice. I feel that since the fetus lies within the woman's body, she should have the choice of continuing pregnancy or not continuing it. There are people who make mistakes, and although the ultimate solution is to abstain from sex, there are some people who don't realize the brevity of their actions until ipso facto.

I also feel that if a mother is "forced" to have a child, she could end up being an abusive mother because she is either not ready, or resentful towards her child. I feel that "forcing" a woman to have the child is unfair (to both the child and mother) because the father is not forced to take care of the child since he is not the bearer of him/her. More often, we hear about fathers abandoning the mothers for some reason or another, and due to maternal instinct, it seems as though the mother has a harder time separating herself from the child in the eyes of the world. Yes, the children could be put up for adoption, but how would it feel to know, "Your mom didn't want to have you, but she was forced to, and so after you were born, she put you here."

Also, please keep in mind that the people who choose to have abortions aren't heartless. I've heard that some women become depressed and feel very upset after having abortions, but are forced to do it because of financial situations, as well as the current state of their lives. They don't just happily skip on their way to the clinic and say "I'll have one, please." Often, it is a tough decision that people have to make due to circumstance.

Those aren't my only arguments, and I know towards the end of my rant, my argument because a bit weaker, but I have so much to say, yet I don't want to say it all, and I also don't want to take the time to organize my thoughts.
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