|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
 Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:04 pm
dboyzero People *should* give up their cars for more environmentally friendly transportation, but that's a different topic. In this case, it's more about a variety of reasons for giving up meat, including but not limited to: -A healthier lifestyle -More humane treatment of animals -Environmental health Whereas the arguments against giving up meat seem to be (as far as I've seen in this thread): -Liking the taste for meat -Natural diet You obviously did not read my post then, or misunderstood it. We do not need to give up cars, all we need to do is convert to electric cars, which are clean and green (as we say in NZ) The technology is there which would enable the majority of cars to be electric, and those that are not electric to be hybrid. If we did this everyone would win (except the oil industry) I have a similar arguement with meat consumption. I see nothing wrong in the consumption of meat (though I do believe we now eat too much of it which is what is causing the high rate of heart disease). However animal cruelty is WRONG and no matter how much people believe they should be allowed to eat meat, animals should not be treated cruelly. I support everyone who wants to go vegetarian, but it is not the only way to stop animal cruelty. You can still eat meat and do your bit to stop animal cruelty (such as I do). When buying your meat and eggs make sure that what you are buying comes from places where the animals are treated fairly. Buy freerange eggs, chicken and pork (chickens and pigs being the main two animals which are treated cruelly). They may cost more, but if more people demand free range products (instead of the cheapest product) then it will be more profitable for companies to become free range, so more and more farms will become free range, until eventually it is the norm for a place to be free range. Sign petitions etc. that demand your government to put in legislation that will stop the cruel treatment of animals. Give money to lobby groups against animal cruelty ((dress up in a bunny costume to help them raise money... I did it)) I have the utmost respect for people who do become vegetarian (and it is possible to have a healthy diet without meat. You just have to eat lots of nuts, chickpeas and eat a large range of fruit and vegetables. If you know your stuff you don't have to take dietary supplements anymore then a person eating meat has too). For those who can't imagine life without meat, you can still help stop animal cruelty.
|
 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:18 am
I would spend weeks at a time w/o eating meat and then for an entire year, I may eat meat once a day if at all...give me grilled cheese and ramen and I'm happy
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:12 am
dboyzero People *should* give up their cars for more environmentally friendly transportation, but that's a different topic. In this case, it's more about a variety of reasons for giving up meat, including but not limited to: -A healthier lifestyle -More humane treatment of animals -Environmental health Whereas the arguments against giving up meat seem to be (as far as I've seen in this thread): -Liking the taste for meat -Natural diet I thought that a healthier lifestyle is for both causes? You can be healthy when eating meat or when not eating meat. You just have to be educated on the subject.
As for animal cruelty, I don't stand for it either. Just because we're 'in charge' of animals so to speak, gives us no reason to treat them badly.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:14 pm
dewdew: I didn't mean that we need to give up cars, it was merely a way to illustrate one alternative. My post was a summative one, briefly stating the general arguments for both sides.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:37 pm
i decided to become a vegetarian when my grandpa captured this cute little crab and i thot i saved it and brot it back to the ocean and then my dad told me that he (is my stepgrandpa) got it bak and ate it that night!!!!!!!!!!
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 9:02 am
Dewdew dboyzero People *should* give up their cars for more environmentally friendly transportation, but that's a different topic. In this case, it's more about a variety of reasons for giving up meat, including but not limited to: -A healthier lifestyle -More humane treatment of animals -Environmental health Whereas the arguments against giving up meat seem to be (as far as I've seen in this thread): -Liking the taste for meat -Natural diet You obviously did not read my post then, or misunderstood it. We do not need to give up cars, all we need to do is convert to electric cars, which are clean and green (as we say in NZ) The technology is there which would enable the majority of cars to be electric, and those that are not electric to be hybrid. If we did this everyone would win (except the oil industry) I have a similar arguement with meat consumption. I see nothing wrong in the consumption of meat (though I do believe we now eat too much of it which is what is causing the high rate of heart disease). However animal cruelty is WRONG and no matter how much people believe they should be allowed to eat meat, animals should not be treated cruelly. I support everyone who wants to go vegetarian, but it is not the only way to stop animal cruelty. You can still eat meat and do your bit to stop animal cruelty (such as I do). When buying your meat and eggs make sure that what you are buying comes from places where the animals are treated fairly. Buy freerange eggs, chicken and pork (chickens and pigs being the main two animals which are treated cruelly). They may cost more, but if more people demand free range products (instead of the cheapest product) then it will be more profitable for companies to become free range, so more and more farms will become free range, until eventually it is the norm for a place to be free range. Sign petitions etc. that demand your government to put in legislation that will stop the cruel treatment of animals. Give money to lobby groups against animal cruelty ((dress up in a bunny costume to help them raise money... I did it)) I have the utmost respect for people who do become vegetarian (and it is possible to have a healthy diet without meat. You just have to eat lots of nuts, chickpeas and eat a large range of fruit and vegetables. If you know your stuff you don't have to take dietary supplements anymore then a person eating meat has too). For those who can't imagine life without meat, you can still help stop animal cruelty. ahh but for eletric cars to get their power they would have to get power from a power plant and many power plants still burn things(i.e. coal) and it still pollutes the enviroment
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 9:01 pm
dreams into nights yami Dewdew dboyzero People *should* give up their cars for more environmentally friendly transportation, but that's a different topic. In this case, it's more about a variety of reasons for giving up meat, including but not limited to: -A healthier lifestyle -More humane treatment of animals -Environmental health Whereas the arguments against giving up meat seem to be (as far as I've seen in this thread): -Liking the taste for meat -Natural diet You obviously did not read my post then, or misunderstood it. We do not need to give up cars, all we need to do is convert to electric cars, which are clean and green (as we say in NZ) The technology is there which would enable the majority of cars to be electric, and those that are not electric to be hybrid. If we did this everyone would win (except the oil industry) I have a similar arguement with meat consumption. I see nothing wrong in the consumption of meat (though I do believe we now eat too much of it which is what is causing the high rate of heart disease). However animal cruelty is WRONG and no matter how much people believe they should be allowed to eat meat, animals should not be treated cruelly. I support everyone who wants to go vegetarian, but it is not the only way to stop animal cruelty. You can still eat meat and do your bit to stop animal cruelty (such as I do). When buying your meat and eggs make sure that what you are buying comes from places where the animals are treated fairly. Buy freerange eggs, chicken and pork (chickens and pigs being the main two animals which are treated cruelly). They may cost more, but if more people demand free range products (instead of the cheapest product) then it will be more profitable for companies to become free range, so more and more farms will become free range, until eventually it is the norm for a place to be free range. Sign petitions etc. that demand your government to put in legislation that will stop the cruel treatment of animals. Give money to lobby groups against animal cruelty ((dress up in a bunny costume to help them raise money... I did it)) I have the utmost respect for people who do become vegetarian (and it is possible to have a healthy diet without meat. You just have to eat lots of nuts, chickpeas and eat a large range of fruit and vegetables. If you know your stuff you don't have to take dietary supplements anymore then a person eating meat has too). For those who can't imagine life without meat, you can still help stop animal cruelty. ahh but for eletric cars to get their power they would have to get power from a power plant and many power plants still burn things(i.e. coal) and it still pollutes the enviroment Noty if you put solar panels on your roof and got your electricity from the sun. And even if you get your electricity from coal plants you still do not polute as much as you do burning petrol. I've done my research. If only they hadn't killed the electric car. crying
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 9:03 pm
dboyzero dewdew: I didn't mean that we need to give up cars, it was merely a way to illustrate one alternative. My post was a summative one, briefly stating the general arguments for both sides. I know. I'm just very passionate about people switching to electric cars. stop your oil addiction! Anyway back on topic.... Cows have beautiful eyes... how many of you knew that?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:32 pm
beauty is in the eye of the beholder. wink
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 9:09 am
Dewdew dreams into nights yami Dewdew dboyzero People *should* give up their cars for more environmentally friendly transportation, but that's a different topic. In this case, it's more about a variety of reasons for giving up meat, including but not limited to: -A healthier lifestyle -More humane treatment of animals -Environmental health Whereas the arguments against giving up meat seem to be (as far as I've seen in this thread): -Liking the taste for meat -Natural diet You obviously did not read my post then, or misunderstood it. We do not need to give up cars, all we need to do is convert to electric cars, which are clean and green (as we say in NZ) The technology is there which would enable the majority of cars to be electric, and those that are not electric to be hybrid. If we did this everyone would win (except the oil industry) I have a similar arguement with meat consumption. I see nothing wrong in the consumption of meat (though I do believe we now eat too much of it which is what is causing the high rate of heart disease). However animal cruelty is WRONG and no matter how much people believe they should be allowed to eat meat, animals should not be treated cruelly. I support everyone who wants to go vegetarian, but it is not the only way to stop animal cruelty. You can still eat meat and do your bit to stop animal cruelty (such as I do). When buying your meat and eggs make sure that what you are buying comes from places where the animals are treated fairly. Buy freerange eggs, chicken and pork (chickens and pigs being the main two animals which are treated cruelly). They may cost more, but if more people demand free range products (instead of the cheapest product) then it will be more profitable for companies to become free range, so more and more farms will become free range, until eventually it is the norm for a place to be free range. Sign petitions etc. that demand your government to put in legislation that will stop the cruel treatment of animals. Give money to lobby groups against animal cruelty ((dress up in a bunny costume to help them raise money... I did it)) I have the utmost respect for people who do become vegetarian (and it is possible to have a healthy diet without meat. You just have to eat lots of nuts, chickpeas and eat a large range of fruit and vegetables. If you know your stuff you don't have to take dietary supplements anymore then a person eating meat has too). For those who can't imagine life without meat, you can still help stop animal cruelty. ahh but for eletric cars to get their power they would have to get power from a power plant and many power plants still burn things(i.e. coal) and it still pollutes the enviroment Noty if you put solar panels on your roof and got your electricity from the sun. And even if you get your electricity from coal plants you still do not polute as much as you do burning petrol. I've done my research. If only they hadn't killed the electric car. crying but what about areas that get little sunlight and wouldnt ethonal be better
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 9:12 am
dboyzero beauty is in the eye of the beholder. wink aye them beholders have a few eyes
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 8:54 pm
dreams into nights yami Dewdew And even if you get your electricity from coal plants you still do not polute as much as you do burning petrol. I've done my research. If only they hadn't killed the electric car. crying but what about areas that get little sunlight and wouldnt ethonal be better There are many alternative fuel sources, but this should serve only as a tool to illustrate points about meat. There's a good energy thread and global warming thread further down.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:55 pm
dboyzero dreams into nights yami Dewdew And even if you get your electricity from coal plants you still do not polute as much as you do burning petrol. I've done my research. If only they hadn't killed the electric car. crying but what about areas that get little sunlight and wouldnt ethonal be better There are many alternative fuel sources, but this should serve only as a tool to illustrate points about meat. There's a good energy thread and global warming thread further down. I know. I was only usuing it to illustarte my point as well. Funny how people reacted to the first few lines in my point but no one has commented on the rest of what I said.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:01 pm
On the contrary, I'm very familiar with the rest of your post. It was well-thought and well-put. I had (excuse me for liking puns) no beef with your statements, so I had no need to argue against them.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:06 pm
dboyzero On the contrary, I'm very familiar with the rest of your post. It was well-thought and well-put. I had (excuse me for liking puns) no beef with your statements, so I had no need to argue against them. Nice to know that my logic still works perfectly.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
