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Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:51 pm
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Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 4:59 pm
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Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:36 pm
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Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:44 pm
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captain gemi well what about these scenarios? -Well what happens if there is a vampire "A"(for this sake of conversation, i'm going with letters) and bites person A who becomes vampire B, but vampire B doesn't act like a normal vampire and doesn't do "bad" deeds like they are "suppose" to do. is he still not saved? -Well what happens when vampire B was a christian before he turned into a creature of the night. like how bad things happen to good people. Now with the whole vampire/werewolf thing. I think it depends on the whole what society thinks, time, and place that we can ask these questions. Like back then, it was if you where a vampire/werewolf, you would be killed on spot in Europe. Now and days its that some are good and coe-living among us and are thriving.
Anyways if you do good things it won't get you into heaven. Paul put it best when he was talking about salvation. Ephenians 2:8-9 "For by grace you have been save through faith, not of yourselves - it is a gift from God not of works so that no man can boast."
Also it says once saved always saved. When it says a gift from God what do you think? Do you you think God would ever take back a gift? If he took back grace then it wouldn't be able to be called a gift anymore.
It's what I've had to teach my children's church kids. Grace is God's unmeritted favor. It is something we cannot earn ourselves. We can only be given it as gift. We can only get that gift when we accept Jesus as our Savior and Lord of our life. |
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Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:50 pm
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Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:52 pm
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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 5:48 pm
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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:28 pm
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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:32 pm
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Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:38 pm
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Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:22 am
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Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:00 pm
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Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:14 pm
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xXxFaiths DreamxXx gothic_black_rose xXxFaiths DreamxXx My mom was talking to teens at our old church about vamps. I don't know if any of you knew. But the story on how vamps got started was where a man's wife died and he was so mad at God he took a cross and started to stab it. (The guy believed as the story goes) And God was so mad at the man God turned him into a vamp. Doesn't that send up red flags? God turning one of his children undead? That doesn't add up. If any of you wanna I could ask my mom to post on here about her story with stuff like vamps and so on and about what she looked up on vamps. (For her papers and so on that she had to write to tell the teens at our old church.) Actually that's from Bramstoker's Dracula. The guy was writing fictions. The idea of vampires came from people not understanding diseases and decompation. If people started dropping dead in the town you lived in they would have assumed it was a vampire. Well I guess she didn't know because she said if she takes the book and reads it she is hooked again. Thats how I am.
Interesting fact: the word vampyre, where we get the word vampire, origniate in germany around the 1300's |
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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:04 am
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I'm pretty sure this whole argument is moot, seeing that the substance of the argument is one built from myths and legends. While you can argue certain points, the myth of the vampire is just that. A myth. There is no such creature as a vampire in real life, so characteristics of what makes a vampire a vampire are subject to change. Just like Bram Stoker did with the creation of Dracula. After Dracula, vamps were smooth talking seducers of women who would steal into a bedchamber in the middle of the night, deprive it's victim of it's blood, and run away to sleep through the day, until the next night, where it would start all over again. Before Dracula, vamps as a whole, weren't very attractive at all. They were actually more akin to demons. In more recent times, Vamps have taken to developing a moral compass, that steers them to feel compassion for the people they feed off of, or even to outright reject feeding off of humans all together and aiming for a more 'vegetarian life style'. So, arguing over vampires is really a waste of time, and energy that could be put to better use somewhere else.
On a side note, I disagree with the whole 'vamps are like unsaved, werewolves are like saved people' discussion. Neither one were given a choice in the matter, their affliction was forced upon them, whereas Adam and Eve, being our relative ancestors, and the first man and woman ever, decided for humans as a whole. We, after being born, are merely inheriting their consequences, until such a time that we are redeemed through the love and grace of Jesus Christ. So, while yes vamps do have certain similarities if you try to spin it to look a certain way, they really aren't that much like fallen man. For one, fallen man has a choice for redemption, and to change who they are fundamentally, where vamps (and werewolves) are eternally screwed over since there is no cure(depending on who is telling the story). Another point, If you want to bring up the 'original Vampire legends' don't use Stoker's "Count Dracula". He completely butchered every vampire legend leading up to that point, and afterwards set a trend of more attractive, seductive undead, where previously were only hideous monsters to be avoided at all costs.
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