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I notice that the poll for this thread asks about "who deserves special right" and then lists gay and lesbian couples in relation to the right to marry and adopt. I'd just like to throw the idea out that that would be equal rights, not special rights.

Hmm. I would really like to see someone make this argument, that giving someone the same rights that everyone else has is "special" rights. The only "special" rights complaints I know about in relation to Gays is hate crimes and anti-discrimination laws that would state that, given the choice between two equally qualified candidates, the minority must be the one hired.

However, I do not wish to derail your thread on religion & medicine, so I'll let it alone now!

Yes, in my previous post I did name affirmative action laws that could arguably be special rights. But I was speaking about the poll, which specifically names adoption and marriage - and you made no mention of either as a special right. I think we are more or less in agreement, although I would argue with your stance on artificial insemination. However, I won't do it in this thread, because it's off topic.

morning pill is not an emergency! It is NOT life threatening! And it's the womans fault for deciding to have sex the night before. (Don't even mention rape victims. WHen a woman is raped hormones that are needed to get pregnant are shut down.)Whatever happened to waiting for marrage?ANd how can you say "unwanted child"? You are so sick for muttering those words. And the abortion, it's the mothers fault for not planning. SO they should get a job and find shelter, and learn to take resposibility. And why WOULD a scientologist want to become a pharmacist when they stand for everything they are against. (Which is giving out medicine) Why anyone would want to destroy the life of a child is beyond me.

that's quite a false analogy. Doctors do more than just abortions and give out "the pill", etc. At KFC their whole schpeal is chicken. If you don't want to sell chicken don't work at KFC. If a doctor doesn't want to do an abortion, they'll work where that won't be an issue.



I don't understand who "You" is. Is it the patient who isn't getting the treatment they need/want. Or the doctor? I don't think the doctors are being discriminated against. I could be wrong, but that doesn't make sense to me if they are.



Do you mean "sterilizing" as in removing testicles or tieing tubes? Or do you mean cleaning procedures?

I do agree that the things you mentioned are messed up. Like the one about the gynocologist. Then the doctor that wouldn't give the single mom a physical. Yah, that's not right, if the reasons you imply are the reasons of the doctor. I also completely agree that it's disgusting and hypocritical to impose your believes on others.

I would still like to know where you heard about all these different people that were denied fair treatment by doctors. I think that there could be other logical reasons that a gay woman could be refused artificial insemination other than her sexual preferences (the reason I think you are trying to imply).

There are emergencies that are not life threatening. The morning after pill is one of them, for the reasons I explained in my above post. There is a very limited window of effectiveness and it needs to be administered ASAP. Saying that it is the "woman's fault" is just plain naive and not at all productive. Accidents happen even with the most responsible people. Birth control pills and condoms fail.

Waiting for marriage isn't really the issue here -- It isn't just single women that get abortions! There are plenty of women who already have families and can not support or do not want another child. Yes, do not want. Just because you give birth to a child does not necessarily mean that you want it. Not every child is wanted by its parents. This is the truth - voicing the truth makes me realistic, not "sick." Please keep your insults to yourself.

I have known people who have been left pregnant by rape. It is an untruth of astronomical proportions to claim that it is not possible. It happens every day all across the US.

Again, it is not the mother's fault for "not planning." Abortion is not just for panicking pregnant teenagers. And how would a single, unskilled mother go about "finding shelter and getting a job" if they have a nursing infant? Someone who is unskilled has minimum wage jobs available to them primarily and will be unable to afford child care.

My understanding of scientology was that they had no problem with antibiotics but frowned on psychotropic drugs. This may be an uninformed view and if that is so, I withdraw it. All of my above points still stand.

Nobody wants to destroy the life of a child. I don't see a blastocyst or an embryo as a child. I see it as a potential child, a clump of cells that might one day be a child, but is not yet. You might say that the destruction of a potential being is just as bad. But every time a woman has her period, she flushes an egg out of her body. That egg was also a potential child that will now never be realized, and nobody can rationally suggest that that is a moral failing, or a murder.

i don't know, it's a touchy subject. i mean obviously some of those refusals are wrong, but even so....i don't know.