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 Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:45 am
HereThereAndBackAgain Belief in the Paranormal: Does it make one foolish? I don’t just speak of paranormal, but also religion. Both are considered un-provable by science, or have been actively disproved. But what does that mean for those who still believe? Topic:Does believing in something that can’t be proved make you irrational or ignorant? Does it mean a person is unable to understand evidence and logical arguments? My Thoughts:Some people do blindly follow the paranormal and can get taken by con artists. Religion has been used to justify atrocities. Both followers of religion and paranormal actively ignore (or a large majority do) all evidence that their beliefs are logically impossible. I believe. I’m not into organized religion, and I don’t know the names of any of the ‘celebrity’ psychics. But I believe that there is ‘something’ out there and that people do have the ability to tap into something ‘unknown’. I don’t ignore the evidence to the contrary. I’ve looked at it. I understand that neither of my ‘beliefs’ can be proven, but that they can be put into serious question (to the point where they have basically been disproved). I decided to believe. It does not mean I’m incapable of logical thought or make me ignorant. It simply means I made a conscious decision knowing the facts to believe anyway. Does that make me a fool? No you are not foolish and a lack of evidence shouldn't be a reason to reject your beliefs. While the Big Bang theory is popular it can't be proved, and to date I don't think any astronomers have found actual black holes but most scientists "believe" in them. In truth alot of science seems to be based on beliefs and theries beyond our ability to prove. While I don't believe in anything I haven't experienced first hand, I am open to all posibilities and I think thats the best way to approach any question about anything.
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Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:13 pm
HereThereAndBackAgain Belief in the Paranormal: Does it make one foolish? I don’t just speak of paranormal, but also religion. Both are considered un-provable by science, or have been actively disproved. But what does that mean for those who still believe? Topic:Does believing in something that can’t be proved make you irrational or ignorant? Does it mean a person is unable to understand evidence and logical arguments? My Thoughts:Some people do blindly follow the paranormal and can get taken by con artists. Religion has been used to justify atrocities. Both followers of religion and paranormal actively ignore (or a large majority do) all evidence that their beliefs are logically impossible. I believe. I’m not into organized religion, and I don’t know the names of any of the ‘celebrity’ psychics. But I believe that there is ‘something’ out there and that people do have the ability to tap into something ‘unknown’. I don’t ignore the evidence to the contrary. I’ve looked at it. I understand that neither of my ‘beliefs’ can be proven, but that they can be put into serious question (to the point where they have basically been disproved). I decided to believe. It does not mean I’m incapable of logical thought or make me ignorant. It simply means I made a conscious decision knowing the facts to believe anyway. Does that make me a fool? I can't say about paranormal...uh...paranormality, but, as to religion, no, believing isn't ignorance. Or, well, it is, but without the negative connotations. As I would define it: • Science is the attempt to understand more about the universe through logic. • Religion (and spirituality) is the attempt to find stability through not trying to understand the universe. Some would say religion is basically intentional ignorance, and some would say science is an attempt to over-complicate the world when further understanding of its nature isn't necessary. While I wouldn't, say, bet human lives on pure faith, it's a perfectly reasonable way to conduct day-to-day life.
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Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:17 pm
Religion and reason work well together....religion gives us a Purpose, science cant give us that. it can only give us how, not why. religion gives us the reason why we have the universe, we already know it exists. i firmly believe religion and science go hand in hand.
and those jabs on the bible, the bible is true, just not in a historical sense, well, especially the old testament. it's the religious and moral truths that are important. the point of the adam and eve story is not that humanity started off with two people who were stupid and got kicked out of the garden of eden, the point is life sucks when u disobey God. another example is the exodus story. the hebrews didnt build all of the great temples and monuments of ancient egypt, but they really were slaves.
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Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:33 pm
I believe in the paranormal, mostly because I've seen them... theres the regulars, and then some that just wander through, I worlk for the grave digger, and one day, after we buried a woman who died in a car crash, we were driving me back home, I was looking out the window, and out of the corner of my eye, I see a car, I turn my head just in time to see it connect with the front of the van... I shuddered and backed up but... nothing? There was no car... nothing.. I don't know if it ere another sighting, or what, but it iwas very scary fr me, my heart was racing
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~ murderd in cold blood ~
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Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 2:28 pm
I beleive in the paranormal though i cant explain why.
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Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:31 am
Your statement negates the purpose of this sub-forum. Please do some thinking on the subject and come to a conclusion. mrgreen
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:02 am
Well, for me, it makes me feel extremely insecure to think that we are alone in this universe, but I'm an athiest, so I don't believe in a religious aspect.
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:47 am
Belief in the paranormal is just another form of spiritual expression. It's the same thing as believing in an organized religion as far as I'm concerned. Both paths seek to add an explanation for the world and for human behavior that is outside of rational understanding.
People have a right to believe or not to believe, whatever they fancy.
I've seen things that some would say are 'paranormal' but I don't subscribe to any particular set of beliefs. There are many different theories that interpret the world around us. If someone wants to believe in the paranormal, and that makes them happy, more power to them.
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 4:29 pm
I believe in stuff like humans being able to control the elements (fire, water, earth, electricity, and wind) and also that we can do several things such as voodoo, predicting the future, and other things that involve the element of psycic. I don't have a whole lot of scientific proof and what not, but I have had experiences. One of my friends is telepathic, and I have tried and succeeded in making a light bulb flicker.
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Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:05 pm
Do explain why. This thread is not to just post whether or not you believe in the paranormal, but to explain reasons why, and whether or not this makes one "foolish."
Personally, I am of the opinion that ANYTHING can be deciphered by science, as is the nature of experimentation and reasoning. Whether something can be understood NOW is a completely different story. I've seen people read minds and invade thoughts, and while I can't actively explain how he is able to do it, I know that there must be some logical and physical process by which it works.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
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Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 9:02 pm
CabooseRIF it certainly doesn't make you a fool or stupid. infact, i think not beliveing anything is foolish and stupid- i mean if you don't know what you belive in, that's fine, but thinking there is nothing 'after life' or something, i mean why whould you think that? you might as well belive in something, it doesn't hurt anyways. I know exactly what I believe in, and it does not include an afterlife. Infact, it's a much bigger leap of faith to think there is one than there isn't, except for fear of mortality causing us to reject the idea of an ending to our consciousness.
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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 7:29 pm
I'm a Wiccan. And Wiccans don't consider Magick Paranormal. It's normal. Everyone can do it. Everyone has a life force, has energy, hence they can do Magick.
MAGNETS used to be thought of as Magick. It's only a matter of time until some Scientists scientifically measure energies and such that make our Wiccan Rituals work.
And BTW, Wiccans don't even believe in Satan. So don't even start.
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Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 12:08 pm
If we could prove religion beyond a shadow of a doubt, then it would be fact, and no longer require any faith.
But there is proof of religion... Scientists merely turn a blind eye to it. They rationalize things in such an irrational manner, when if they only opened their eyes they would see exactly what is going on. But I don't think God wants them to. I think He wants us to believe on our own, not because someone else tells us to; to believe in Him because He is who He is.
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Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 11:03 pm
You contradict yourself, Dirk; at first you say that if there was proof, it would no longer need faith, and then you say that there is proof of religion? What do you mean by this? If you mean proof of people having religion, then of course there is. In fact, many scientists are religious themselves; lumping them all into atheism will not do at all.
Please explain your reasoning.
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Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:09 pm
If the Paranormal were true, than would it still be considered Paranormal? Or would it become a part of every day life? If you believe it, than in your mind it would be true. No?
Take God for example, atheists think of him as paranormal, but only because they may see him as hope. Christians think of him as an actual person, not just a figment of imagination.
Believe what you want. But think on this: Is your belief believable? Some say they believe something for the wrong reasons, and some say that just to be difficult.
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