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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:34 pm
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Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:45 pm
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:04 pm
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:20 pm
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[ theoretic martyr ] Shazbot_the_Pirate I really don't care anymore. It doesn't even affect me; I'm tired with being assaulted by the same retarded arguments from both sides. Far right: Gay SEX is what is discouraged in the bible, not MARRIAGE. Try reading it once and a while. Far left: The fact that you are fighting for your rights is admirable, but don't you dare call it oppression. Black people were oppressed; they were stripped of their rights because of the way they were born. If homosexuality is a choice, then you actively chose to join the 'oppressed', and you have no right to use that term. I'm an a*****e when I'm tired. So by your logic, Hitler was not opressing the Jews since they "chose" to be Jewish? That doesn't make sense. Nobody chooses to be oppressed. No, they were Jewish by birth. Jewish is an ethnicity, as well as a religion. It was the ethnicity that Nazi Germany attempted to wipe out.
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:19 am
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:34 am
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[ theoretic martyr ] Shazbot_the_Pirate No, they were Jewish by birth. Jewish is an ethnicity, as well as a religion. It was the ethnicity that Nazi Germany attempted to wipe out. Perhaps a bad example.
So hypothetically, if somebody is Christian living in a Muslim country where they would be killed for practicing their religion, they would not be oppressed since they choose to be a Christian? Technically, it is oppression, but it is of their own choosing. They would have known the dangers of being a Christian in a radical Muslim environment, but choose to go anyway. They have chosen to put themselves in that situation.
It is oppression, but at the same time, it isn't. Real oppression comes from somebody keeping you down because of something you can't change, not because of a choice you've made.
The way you're born is something that can't be changed, but the way you live your life can.
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 2:14 pm
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Shazbot_the_Pirate Technically, it is oppression, but it is of their own choosing. They would have known the dangers of being a Christian in a radical Muslim environment, but choose to go anyway. They have chosen to put themselves in that situation. It is oppression, but at the same time, it isn't. Real oppression comes from somebody keeping you down because of something you can't change, not because of a choice you've made. The way you're born is something that can't be changed, but the way you live your life can.
What would you call it then? I cannot find one source that gives the same definition of oppress or oppression as you do.
op·press –verb (used with object) 1. to burden with cruel or unjust impositions or restraints; subject to a burdensome or harsh exercise of authority or power: a people oppressed by totalitarianism. 2. to lie heavily upon (the mind, a person, etc.): Care and sorrow oppressed them. 3. to weigh down, as sleep or weariness does. 4. Archaic. to put down; subdue or suppress. 5. Archaic. to press upon or against; crush.
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Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:17 pm
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[ theoretic martyr ] Shazbot_the_Pirate Technically, it is oppression, but it is of their own choosing. They would have known the dangers of being a Christian in a radical Muslim environment, but choose to go anyway. They have chosen to put themselves in that situation. It is oppression, but at the same time, it isn't. Real oppression comes from somebody keeping you down because of something you can't change, not because of a choice you've made. The way you're born is something that can't be changed, but the way you live your life can. What would you call it then? I cannot find one source that gives the same definition of oppress or oppression as you do.
op·press –verb (used with object) 1. to burden with cruel or unjust impositions or restraints; subject to a burdensome or harsh exercise of authority or power: a people oppressed by totalitarianism. 2. to lie heavily upon (the mind, a person, etc.): Care and sorrow oppressed them. 3. to weigh down, as sleep or weariness does. 4. Archaic. to put down; subdue or suppress. 5. Archaic. to press upon or against; crush.
My vocabulary fails me, but I've got a huge dictionary and thesaurus right above my computer desk. I'll let you know.
My point is this; I can totally respect the fact that gay and bisexual people are fighting for their right to be married to whomever they want. It's an admirable and just cause. But my personal definition of oppression is a people being treated unfairly because of something they can't change. If somebody doesn't like being kept down because of something they can change, then the simplest thing to do is to change it.
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:48 am
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 12:00 pm
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:37 pm
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 3:55 pm
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:40 pm
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:41 pm
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