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 Posted: Mon May 07, 2007 9:02 pm
Ultra Sarah Okay ... like I've said, I don't read the Bible, so I don't know for sure ... but I really doubt that that many people could have deserved death. Some of the deaths were done by the masses ... innocents must have been killed too. So ... what did they do to deserve such a terrible punishment? ' To put it simply they where basically destroying everything, their attitudes and mentality where of the most depraved nature possible (much much worse that nowadays...and today is already bad enough with all the genocides, rapes, murders, etc. It was a chaotic environment), they where killing and abusing all living creatures (and when I say "all" I mean all even animals) physically, mentally and sexually without discrimination and even kids where doing that. That's why he had to 'clean the Earth' of those kids of people. But let me tell you that every time he did that he did spare the lives of those that where righteous and didn't deserve such a punishment. If he hadn't done that, those people would have suffered even more by living with the others....
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 9:12 pm
xiaryth Ultra Sarah Okay ... like I've said, I don't read the Bible, so I don't know for sure ... but I really doubt that that many people could have deserved death. Some of the deaths were done by the masses ... innocents must have been killed too. So ... what did they do to deserve such a terrible punishment? ' To put it simply they where basically destroying everything, their attitudes and mentality where of the most depraved nature possible (much much worse that nowadays...and today is already bad enough with all the genocides, rapes, murders, etc. It was a chaotic environment), they where killing and abusing all living creatures (and when I say "all" I mean all even animals) physically, mentally and sexually without discrimination and even kids where doing that. That's why he had to 'clean the Earth' of those kids of people. But let me tell you that every time he did that he did spare the lives of those that where righteous and didn't deserve such a punishment. If he hadn't done that, those people would have suffered even more by living with the others.... We're doing that now. Not all of us of course ... that would be crazy. How did he save the innocents from that flood? Diving gear?
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 9:19 pm
Ultra Sarah xiaryth Ultra Sarah Okay ... like I've said, I don't read the Bible, so I don't know for sure ... but I really doubt that that many people could have deserved death. Some of the deaths were done by the masses ... innocents must have been killed too. So ... what did they do to deserve such a terrible punishment? ' To put it simply they where basically destroying everything, their attitudes and mentality where of the most depraved nature possible (much much worse that nowadays...and today is already bad enough with all the genocides, rapes, murders, etc. It was a chaotic environment), they where killing and abusing all living creatures (and when I say "all" I mean all even animals) physically, mentally and sexually without discrimination and even kids where doing that. That's why he had to 'clean the Earth' of those kids of people. But let me tell you that every time he did that he did spare the lives of those that where righteous and didn't deserve such a punishment. If he hadn't done that, those people would have suffered even more by living with the others.... We're doing that now. Not all of us of course ... that would be crazy. How did he save the innocents from that flood? Diving gear? well as far as I understand, he send someone to take them to a different city/place and/or to the ark, since there where actually people who did deserve to live and those where the ones who got saved
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 11:57 am
Okay. I know this much. Noah and his family were the only human survivors. And then there's this. What about the animals? He killed them didn't he?
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 4:20 pm
ok yah, we could say he killed a lot of people during that flood, but we only know one side of the story... i mean we don't know if God warned somebody else in the other side of the world and who ever wrote the bible never got to know.
and well... if you look at the bible like the events really happen then we are all brothers and sisters thanks to Adam and Eva( wouldn't that be gross)
i say you should look at the bible like a little kids book, just look for the meaning of the stories, not for if it truly happened or not.
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 4:36 pm
So then your oh so holy book of godly holiness is a joke? If that's true, I'd say all of it's a joke.
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 4:38 pm
go on say its a joke. but thats you against a million people.
and well.. call it or not call it a joke, everything that its said in that book has the answer for every single of your life problems.
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Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 9:01 am
Well, I'm fine on my own thank you very much. I don't really have problems ... and the problems I do have can usually be fixed by trying harder. That's really the answer to most problems.
And really you called it a joke. A children's book?
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 11:58 am
A simile is a comparison of two unlike things, typically marked by use of "like", "as" or "than". Examples include "the snow was as thick as a blanket", or "she was as smart as a crow".
i'm not saying IT IS a little kids book
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 12:52 pm
minka18 i say you should look at the bible like a little kids book, just look for the meaning of the stories, not for if it truly happened or not. No, you're not saying that it IS, but you're saying that we should look at it like it is. If that's the case, then we should read the Bible like a book intended to explain things or teach life lessons to people who aren't mature or intelligent enough to understand things through reason and logic. Is that about right? Or should we read it as fantasy, an idealized story without any real bearing on the real world, which is far more complicated and unforgiving than can possibly be explained by a single book, much less a single author, regardless of who that author may be. As to the main topic of this thread, the bible does list incidents of divine wrath catching innocents in the crossfire. Aside from assuming that every other human being on the planet besides Noah and his family were sinful (which is a big leap of faith, in my opinion), the story of Sodom and Gomorrah makes it quite clear that sacrifices are going to have to be made for punishment to work, although this can be negotiated.
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 2:11 pm
dboyzero minka18 i say you should look at the bible like a little kids book, just look for the meaning of the stories, not for if it truly happened or not. No, you're not saying that it IS, but you're saying that we should look at it like it is. If that's the case, then we should read the Bible like a book intended to explain things or teach life lessons to people who aren't mature or intelligent enough to understand things through reason and logic. Is that about right? Or should we read it as fantasy, an idealized story without any real bearing on the real world, which is far more complicated and unforgiving than can possibly be explained by a single book, much less a single author, regardless of who that author may be. As to the main topic of this thread, the bible does list incidents of divine wrath catching innocents in the crossfire. Aside from assuming that every other human being on the planet besides Noah and his family were sinful (which is a big leap of faith, in my opinion), the story of Sodom and Gomorrah makes it quite clear that sacrifices are going to have to be made for punishment to work, although this can be negotiated. we are never mature enough or intelligent enough to understand things through reason a logic. so yes thats about right. one correction the bible is not A book is MANY books in one, therefore many authors contributed to it.
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 3:28 pm
The second point depends on who you ask, and what they're beliefs are. Many people believe that since the bible is the word of divinity, it was written by one author, god himself. Others believe that the old testament is the written work of god, dictated to Moses, and all subsequent books afterward either a) don't matter and/or b) are not the word of god.
As for the first point, that's a bold claim to make, and I hope you have a suitable reason/evidence/warrant/grounds for it. Personally, I feel both mature and intelligent enough from my experience to understand things through reason and logic. Of course, if you care to counter that, do go right ahead.
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 3:32 pm
dboyzero is very correct. It is unreasonable and illogical to think that humans are just stupid creatures who can't fend for themselves! We are mature. We are intelligent. As a whole, at least.
I've heard about the disagreement dboy was talking about ... so that's not really up to anybody to know exactly. But for purposes of this argument ... the bible is one book. Unless they contradict each other greatly, I see no point in distinction right now.
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 6:27 pm
alright this has not been my day for debate.
so, yes it depends on which religion your in, what you believe.
but if you read the bible without using the matter of religion you will see that there is book of blah, letter to blah. and so on.. so i guess you can say is one book if your religion and your believe says so.
Humans are indeed stupid creatures. intelligent creatures just because the other little animals in this world aren't able to think like we do.
and well, mature... who is to say if your mature enough or not?, your mother?. your friends?. i mean if you ask your friends some of they will still say your an immature from time to time. therefore your not mature as a whole. and if you ask your mother, you will always be her little baby.
so yes i'm calling humans stupid(i'm alien...jk), no offense but we all are.
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 6:33 pm
depends on the case of the killing
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