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Miraculous Jorbee

PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:16 pm


Girl Who Sings
Lord Setar
Girl Who Sings
Lord Setar
Girl Who Sings

it still doesnt give them an excuse to be having sex


So sex is solely for reproduction? That statement requires proof, please give some.
Animals use sex for reproduction. We being primates are animals. Thus sex is for reproduction. (when the hell did this turn into a debate? you started of asking my oppinion and you keep asking for proof of my opinion?)


While the logic is good, the fact basis is not.

Moniquill
The Purpose of Sex

Sex isn't just for reproduction. People do not have sex because they want babies, they have sex because sex fosters pair bonds. Sex, among humans (And most other intelligent species for that matter) is first and foremost a social interaction.

Without sex, one's adult life will be stunted in a serious way. Lack of sex, or even lack of sexual desire, is considered a psychological disorder and can lead to other much nastier complications. Also, if sex is just for reproduction, why do humans still exhibit sexual desire in cases where no conception could possibly take place? Why don't we mate like, say, dogs, wherein females go into estrus and mate only during that time? If sex is only for reproduction, it has an AMAZING failure rate.

species that have sex like crazy even when there's little to no chance of breeding:

European kestrels
red-sided garter snakes
alpine accentors
razorbills
American Southwest or Hawaiian whiptail lizards (these reproduce asexually, but have very active sex lives anyway)
cichlids
purple swamp hens/pukikos
Eurasian oystercatchers
several species of gulls
tree swallows
orange-fronted parakeets
sheep
dolphins
deer
gazelles
Japanese macaques
bonobos
lemurs

(source: Diversity's rainbow: diversity, gender, and sexuality in nature and people, Joan Roughgarden (2004).)

About Abstinence
Something anyone should read up about failure rates of abstinence:

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/06/5/gr060504.html
Quote:
When does abstinence fail? The definition of an abstinence user also has implications for determining the effectiveness of abstinence as a method of contraception. The president, in his July 2002 remarks to South Carolina high school students, said "Let me just be perfectly plain. If you're worried about teenage pregnancy, or if you're worried about sexually transmitted disease, abstinence works every single time." In doing so, he suggested that abstinence is 100% effective. But scientifically, is this in fact correct?

Researchers have two different ways of measuring the effectiveness of contraceptive methods. "Perfect use" measures the effectiveness when a contraceptive is used exactly according to clinical guidelines. In contrast, "typical use" measures how effective a method is for the average person who does not always use the method correctly or consistently. For example, women who use oral contraceptives perfectly will experience almost complete protection against pregnancy. However, in the real world, many women find it difficult to take a pill every single day, and pregnancies can and do occur to women who miss one or more pills during a cycle. Thus, while oral contraceptives have a perfect-use effectiveness rate of over 99%, their typical-use effectiveness is closer to 92% (see chart). As a result, eight in 100 women who use oral contraceptives will become pregnant in the first year of use.


Perfect use of abstinence means never having any sexual intercourse.

Typical use of abstinence means how it is typically used. A couple who heavy pet and the guy ejaculates onto the v****a resulting in the girl getting pregnant would be a "typical" use of abstinence that has "failed." A girl getting raped and then getting pregnant would be a failure of abstinence because her method of "contraceptive" failed to prevent pregnancy (if one could call "rape" a typical use). A couple willingly choosing to have sex when they have asserted a want to be abstinent would be a typical use of abstinence that fails. I.E. A couple that says "I want to be abstinent until marraige," who then go out and have sex have practiced abstinence, but not perfect use. If the girl got pregnant this would be a failure of abstinence.

Just like condoms are something like 90% effective "typical use" and 99% "perfect use" abstinence works the same way. When people ******** while claiming to be abstinent, it's typical use. Abstinence does have a failure rate.


May I ask why you are pro-life? A lot of people who are are usually so because of misinformation, I seem to find.
Because i was an accident. I would not exhist had they taken the easy way out.


I was an accident too.

I'm still pro-choice, personal bias doesn't give anyone reason to control others.
locke317 generated a random number between 1 and 20000 ... 5511!
PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:16 pm


ninja

locke317

Lord Rethion generated a random number between 1 and 20000 ... 10802!

Lord Rethion

PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:17 pm


pirate
A Skepty generated a random number between 1 and 20000 ... 139!
PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:17 pm


Skeptibump!

A Skepty
Vice Captain

Dapper Elocutionist

Lord Rethion generated a random number between 1 and 20000 ... 4519!

Lord Rethion

PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:17 pm


pirate
locke317 generated a random number between 1 and 20000 ... 17684!
PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:18 pm


ninja

locke317

Miraculous Jorbee generated a random number between 1 and 20000 ... 6159!

Miraculous Jorbee

PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:18 pm


*makes up for last post again*
PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:18 pm


Girl Who Sings
Lord Setar
Girl Who Sings
Lord Setar
Girl Who Sings

it still doesnt give them an excuse to be having sex


So sex is solely for reproduction? That statement requires proof, please give some.
Animals use sex for reproduction. We being primates are animals. Thus sex is for reproduction. (when the hell did this turn into a debate? you started of asking my oppinion and you keep asking for proof of my opinion?)


While the logic is good, the fact basis is not.

Moniquill
The Purpose of Sex

Sex isn't just for reproduction. People do not have sex because they want babies, they have sex because sex fosters pair bonds. Sex, among humans (And most other intelligent species for that matter) is first and foremost a social interaction.

Without sex, one's adult life will be stunted in a serious way. Lack of sex, or even lack of sexual desire, is considered a psychological disorder and can lead to other much nastier complications. Also, if sex is just for reproduction, why do humans still exhibit sexual desire in cases where no conception could possibly take place? Why don't we mate like, say, dogs, wherein females go into estrus and mate only during that time? If sex is only for reproduction, it has an AMAZING failure rate.

species that have sex like crazy even when there's little to no chance of breeding:

European kestrels
red-sided garter snakes
alpine accentors
razorbills
American Southwest or Hawaiian whiptail lizards (these reproduce asexually, but have very active sex lives anyway)
cichlids
purple swamp hens/pukikos
Eurasian oystercatchers
several species of gulls
tree swallows
orange-fronted parakeets
sheep
dolphins
deer
gazelles
Japanese macaques
bonobos
lemurs

(source: Diversity's rainbow: diversity, gender, and sexuality in nature and people, Joan Roughgarden (2004).)

About Abstinence
Something anyone should read up about failure rates of abstinence:

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/06/5/gr060504.html
Quote:
When does abstinence fail? The definition of an abstinence user also has implications for determining the effectiveness of abstinence as a method of contraception. The president, in his July 2002 remarks to South Carolina high school students, said "Let me just be perfectly plain. If you're worried about teenage pregnancy, or if you're worried about sexually transmitted disease, abstinence works every single time." In doing so, he suggested that abstinence is 100% effective. But scientifically, is this in fact correct?

Researchers have two different ways of measuring the effectiveness of contraceptive methods. "Perfect use" measures the effectiveness when a contraceptive is used exactly according to clinical guidelines. In contrast, "typical use" measures how effective a method is for the average person who does not always use the method correctly or consistently. For example, women who use oral contraceptives perfectly will experience almost complete protection against pregnancy. However, in the real world, many women find it difficult to take a pill every single day, and pregnancies can and do occur to women who miss one or more pills during a cycle. Thus, while oral contraceptives have a perfect-use effectiveness rate of over 99%, their typical-use effectiveness is closer to 92% (see chart). As a result, eight in 100 women who use oral contraceptives will become pregnant in the first year of use.


Perfect use of abstinence means never having any sexual intercourse.

Typical use of abstinence means how it is typically used. A couple who heavy pet and the guy ejaculates onto the v****a resulting in the girl getting pregnant would be a "typical" use of abstinence that has "failed." A girl getting raped and then getting pregnant would be a failure of abstinence because her method of "contraceptive" failed to prevent pregnancy (if one could call "rape" a typical use). A couple willingly choosing to have sex when they have asserted a want to be abstinent would be a typical use of abstinence that fails. I.E. A couple that says "I want to be abstinent until marraige," who then go out and have sex have practiced abstinence, but not perfect use. If the girl got pregnant this would be a failure of abstinence.

Just like condoms are something like 90% effective "typical use" and 99% "perfect use" abstinence works the same way. When people ******** while claiming to be abstinent, it's typical use. Abstinence does have a failure rate.


May I ask why you are pro-life? A lot of people who are are usually so because of misinformation, I seem to find.
Because i was an accident. I would not exhist had they taken the easy way out.


I was unplanned as well, but I was wanted. I would not want to exist unwanted. You only say existence is good because you exist. None of us knows what nonexistence is like, therefore, we are in no position to say existence is better. I go to a quote from the book Pet Sematary: "Sometimes, death is better."

Furthermore, your implication is that abortion is bad because it is the "easy" way out. How does it being the "easy" way out make it bad?

Lord Setar

Lord Rethion generated a random number between 1 and 20000 ... 5828!

Lord Rethion

PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:19 pm


*yawn*
locke317 generated a random number between 1 and 20000 ... 12708!
PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:19 pm


ninja

locke317

Lord Setar generated a random number between 1 and 20000 ... 5152!

Lord Setar

PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:19 pm


Gar, I keep ******** forgetting.
A Skepty generated a random number between 1 and 20000 ... 11993!
PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:19 pm


Language, people.

A Skepty
Vice Captain

Dapper Elocutionist

Lord Rethion generated a random number between 1 and 20000 ... 12340!

Lord Rethion

PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:20 pm


Bump
locke317 generated a random number between 1 and 20000 ... 7151!
PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:21 pm


ninja

locke317

Miraculous Jorbee generated a random number between 1 and 20000 ... 14698!

Miraculous Jorbee

PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:21 pm


....Can I have a taco? xD
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