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After reading much of what was posted, I have to say that I sincerely agree with the idea that without evil, there would be no good. Although, I'm not one to really believe in good or evil but it is most definitely commonly known that the two thrive off one another.

One example was 9/11. It is true that after the incident, good came about. Like better security and what not. But what makes this theory so accurate? I'm starting to think destiny, but I'm not one to really believe in that either. lol. Then again, it could be the will of the people. It's definitely something to think about...

Anyway, about utopianism. It may actually be possible...with enough force one could actually create a Utopia. Only thing is, he's gotta start from scratch...meaning clones and fresh ideas. Although, I do doubt that a Utopia would ever work, mainly because, as dboyzero stated

Well, let's say a determined leader decided he wanted to create an actual Utopia using clones. He gathers up a few people, takes a little DNA, and makes a brand new human being. The only problem with cloning is those clones will think about things beyond their world or environment. They, too, have brains, just like the original people they were made from.

Anyone ever read Brave New World? or see Equilibrium or The Island? Those are perfect examples...The idea of a Utopia could work for some time until someone begins to actually realize that maybe there is more to life and begins to ponder on their new idea. As for 1984, dboyzero, I totally agree, except I have never read it but from what I hear and from what you said, it does sound like the "perfect society."

Anyway, like I had said before that I don't really believe in the idea of good and evil, is because I believe they are just figments of our imagination. It's the same as "right and wrong." There is no set right and wrong like there is no set of what is good and evil because people are too different. One person's wrong could be another's right...and vice versa. In other words, different influences in society gave us those "right and wrong" ideas.

Okie, well, uhhhhh I've done enough talking...and quite frankly, after reading what I wrote...it doesn't make much sense. Heh. *ahem* if you actually do understand what I'm trying to say...then good job...not many people do.

there has to be the possiblilty of evil because without that possibility, we cannot choose to be good.

it's the absense of God (i'm catholic). it's choosing to turn away from God.

it's like yin and yang, you can't have one without the other.

as for morals....most societies and religions agree on the basics. granted, there are lots of detailed differences, but there's plenty of common ground to work on here....

Actually miniunfortunado your example of yin and yang was kinda misused. The concept of yin and ynag is the idea that bad and good are a part of everything, not opposites. The two can not be seperated. One is the other , and the other is part of the first. It's like the fact that your arm can be divided into sections (forearm, upper arm, shoulder, hand, wrist, etc.) But they all TOGETHER make ONE item. Therefore based on how you were using the example, God and Satan are ONE. The two are inseperable, if we are assuming that God is the ultimate expression of good and Satan the expression of evil. Personally I believe that there is no such thing as evil, OR good. Because in every action there are positive and negative consequences. Therefore everything has aspects of both. I need to sustain my physical form by eating, but to do so would mean killing something, (plant or animal still killing) by our definition of evil, killing is definately evil. But by killing the item, whatever it may be, I will survive and to me that is a good thing. The sun is beautiful and radiant, both good things, but it is insanely hot and can casue cancer, both bad, but it is the basis of most of the food chain, (atleast the majority of it), driving life, this is good, but eventually it will swell and become a red giant consuming the earth destroying all life on it, definately bad! So everything is both. Humans have the capacity to kill and to create. We are both good and bad, without one the other does not exist. But they are not opposites just the same thing in different forms. I hope that was clear.

huh, i never thought of it that way, but i still think the world should be rid of all evil

wha i think is that it is all in the way you see it,i belive that one belives him/herself or what they belive in good,and belives one with opsoite ideas and diffrent actions to be evil,so it seems that there is no evil or good,just diffrent opinions and actions,witch lead to the illusion of 'good' and 'evil'

(holy crap,did i just say something smart?!?!?)

then name something evil

to you,and even to me,but to the person doing the act,it may not be,