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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:32 pm
Nope, he offed himself. 'course, if he hadn't, he'd not have lived much longer, anyway...
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 1:13 pm
thats true. And if they hadnt killed him when they found him, can u imagine how long it would have taken to go through all the war crimes and crimes against humanity? >.<
Did they actually find his body though? I heard that they didnt...but maybe that was just a conspiracy theory
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 2:18 pm
Supposedly, it was buried in the ruble of his bunker or something like that. I don't know for sure, but I'd imagine they'd have really trumpeted it if they'd found him...
And back then, he'd have been lucky to have lived long enough to hear the word "you are going to be charge with crimes against humanity" if they had captured him alive.
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:29 am
Well I'm not really sure why we are discussing what happened to Hitler but he shot himself and took a cyanide capsule. And Germany never would have overthrown him. They loved him because before he came along the country was ruined. The currency had been so inflated that people we taking home wheel barrows full of money but it was worth so little it was cheaper to burn it than to buy firewood.
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 12:32 pm
Lancer125 Well I'm not really sure why we are discussing what happened to Hitler but he shot himself and took a cyanide capsule. And Germany never would have overth. rown him. They loved him because before he came along the country was ruined. The currency had been so inflated that people we taking home wheel barrows full of money but it was worth so little it was cheaper to burn it than to buy firewood. Not true, to say that "they loved him" is a gross over statement. Many, many were in opposition to him, such as the 3,810,000 German civilians who died during world War . In total, Germany lost about 9.1% of its total population, so by the end of WWII I strongly doubt that they "loved him". He did improve the country's economy by controlling inflation, but that only lasted as long as the nazis did, so waasn't a long term solution
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:39 pm
Well they never revolted or showed signs of revolting. Even till the end the people supported Hitler. Even in the Battle of Berlin the civilians helped the war effort. Even to go so far as the teenagers taking Panzershrecks and destroying allied tanks.
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:41 pm
Well yeah because (a) people act differently in crowds, and (b) they were shooting everyone who resisted them. So of course they didnt resist out right. The Nazis never got a majority vote before they got into power, so they were never supported en mass
Some people did show signs of revolt. For example, all of the people who tried to flee, and people like Schindler
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:18 pm
These weren't crowds. There weren't crowds of people in Berlin at that time. Hitler saved Germany. He is one of the greatest leaders in history. He was an evil dictator and killed millions of people, but he was a great leader. He convinced an entire nation that it was alright to kill people because they were different.
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:46 pm
Crowds as in the nation. The feeling that lots of people around you are doing the same thing influences the way you act, and usually you go along with the "crowd".
He didnt convince an entire nation, he convinced some of it. After WWII most people claimed not to have known about the gas chambers etc, so either they really didnt know (and therefore couldnt have been convinced it was right to kill these people), or they turned a blind eye (presumably because they knew it was wrong and did not want to get involved, ie they were not convinced that it was alright to kill people because they were different)
He saved Germany after WWI, in terms of nationalism and economics But it could be argued that he destroyed Germany during WWII, because in the end they were in the same situation as before, but with more national shame. That shame still exists now, all of the Germans that I have spoken to still feel ashamed about it, even though it was about 2 generations ago for them. They also suffered after WWII with the Berlin Wall, and especially in East Germany, where resources were so low that people would risk trying to get over it rather than stay. Even today, East Germany has not recovered fully, its still stigmatised as a place that you wouldnt particularly want to live. So yes, he was a great leader, but he only "saved" Germany in a rather limited way
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:39 pm
Correction, WE (Being the Western world and the Soviets) destroyed Germany. We broke it into thirds and controlled it. It was our decision. We also destroyed it after WWI and actually America caused WWII. During the Battle of the Somme the Americans were the forces to stop the German advance. If we had not been there then the Treaty would never have been signed. There would have been no betrayal of the German people and their country never would have suffered. Instead we joined the war and through unforseen circumstances caused the suffering and death of millions of people.
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:26 am
The causes of WWII were (a) WWI, (b) Treaty of Versailles (making germany pay for damages in WWI which put them into huge debt), (c) this gave hitler his opportunity to say that they were not going to pay, and gain some popularity, (d) Hitler invading Poland. That one there being the major one. America did not cause WWII, they didn't get involved in WWII until Pearl Harbour. They were involved in the Treaty of Versailles, but did not directly cause WWII.
I wouldnt say that the Western world and the Soviets destroyed Germany. I would say that they were happy to pick up the pieces and claim them for themselves, and that didnt help particularly, but it didnt destroy Germany. It just didnt put it back together for a while
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:16 pm
We destroyed it. We devided it and took what we wanted. And we did have a big hand in causing WWII. President Woodson did not have a spine during the talks of the Treaty because he only wanted the League of Nations which was an utter failure. And we never signed the treaty we just helped everything along, causing more damage.
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:35 pm
You had a hand. Possibly an equal hand, not necessarily a big hand.
And I still maintain that the Western world and the Soviets did not destroy Germany. See my previous post
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:37 pm
Then what did destroy the Germans?
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:57 pm
I never said that they were destroyed, you did wink
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