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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 8:55 am
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 10:08 am
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 10:41 am
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 11:10 am
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Eh, I do think a lot of Christians these days probably do pick and choose what to believe and follow in the Bible. I'm not saying all of them are that way or you are one of them D: I just think it probably does happen. You probably wouldn't call them devout Christians either...but they might still think of themselves that way.
And this brings up my own personal belief that while believing in the Christian God is a choice, being gay is not. I don't think it's a choice anymore than I choose to be straight. Otherwise we wouldn't find homosexual behavior in over 1,000 different species in the animal kingdom. I don't think the Bible says anything about animals being capable of sin does it? I mean, I thought it was only humans born with original sin...and I've heard different things from different people, such as that animals are thought to be "soulless" in that they are incapable of sin, judgment, and admission into Heaven. (I don't know if you believe in that or not, like I said it's just what I've heard.) They seem to act on instinct more than "choice."
And if penguins can be homosexual couples and successfully raise a child I'm sure humans are capable of the same thing. This is what I'm talking about if you didn't hear about it.
But I do agree that the child will be stigmatized for it. But hey, black people were stigmatized for exercising their freedoms even after they were free, such as voting (and maybe getting married in churches mostly run by white people, I don't know the history of the post-enslavement discrimination that thoroughly), but by persisting they have become far more accepted now. I know that a black straight couple getting married is not comparable to a gay couple as there is nothing in the Bible condemning it. My point was that they faced similar adversities even after receiving civil liberties. I think the stigma of homosexual parents would begin to diminish over time in a similar way.
I am not saying that the gay rights struggle is as bad here in America as the black rights movement was. As far as I know gay people weren't marginalized into slavery the way black people were in this country. I can't speak for others because I don't really know the history.
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 2:31 pm
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 2:53 pm
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 3:48 pm
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 4:24 pm
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 4:30 pm
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 5:56 pm
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Dr Entropy @ Ace: Yes my views are traditional but they simply follow the teachings of the Church. The Church hasn't changed their views on marriage even with all the cultural changes therefore keep their standpoint at a traditional one. The Church refers to the man and women's role in the family as the "brain and heart" to signify that they complement each other. They each depend on each other in certain aspects where one spouse contributes in a different way than the other. We all know men and women think differently. That difference is needed to balance out the other's stand point from the perspective of someone of the opposite sex. If you have a same sex marriage you don't exactly have that balance regardless of orientation. Just to clarify this, the organ that I stated in no way represents their role in the house because it is different with each family. <.< I could have just as easily said liver and lungs. I simply used the example my theology book used. I'd also like to note that I pity a child in a same sex relationship. Aside from the extreme confusion and needed explanations, today's world still isn't as accepting as one would think. Idk how it is over there in Virginia but here in Miami there is still an incredible amount of homophobia despite the rather large gay community. Daily in the halls of my school I constantly here "Bro! Your such a f**!" "Dude thats so gay!" I can't stand to imagine the amount of harassment and embarrassment a child of a same sex relationship would have to endure on a daily basis. Thats why I don't support gay marriage on both a legal and religious standpoint. If a gay couple must have a civil union because they want marital rights, please don't bring a child into the equation. That just further complicates things. I would perfer if you didn't use "The Church" for my church does not share the same views as your church. I think you're better off saying, "The Catholic Church" does not recognize homosexual marriage then just "The Church."
As for a child of the same sex marriage, the professor at my sister's college has a daughter that is hetrosexual and lives a normal life. Kids are going to understand if you explain to them and as far as it goes with being "harassed", all kids are picked on for different reasons - their gender, their race, their hair, their clothes, and even their fat mother. And eventually all those kids grow up and realize there's no reason to bully people for such stupid reasons. And if those bullies manage to still do it in highschool, they're probably get thier asses kicked for simply being annoying.
Okay, you really don't know a thing about Virgina xD Virginia is probably one of the most conservative states (actually, we're a commonwealth) and being apart of the Bible Belt, I doubt gay rights legislation would ever pass here. And look who came out of Virgina, Jerry Falwell, the man who stated that the purple Teletubbie was "role modelling the gay lifestyle is damaging to the moral lives of children." As well as believing "that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America" helped make the September 11th attacks happen. Falwell makes me die a little inside...
As for what you hear in your school, I hear it all the time - and they're not picking on the gays or bis or the children of gay parents. "Gay" is often used (at least in my high school) to mean stupid or that sucks. And yeah, I admit, I have said, "Man, That's Gay!" But we're not actually picking on someone or even offending them, 'cause I'm not offending my bisexual self. Most of the time when I say something about like girls, I get an odd look and then people go back to their business. Doesn't bother me.
Alas though, if you were raised in a church that does not support gay marriage there's nothing wrong with that and there's nothing wrong with your views.
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:16 pm
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:21 pm
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:36 pm
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 7:15 pm
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 7:20 pm
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