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the point is, people have rights that courts need to respect.

First of all I want to say, cause I noticed this a few times, I don't think anyone expects ANY religion to view a marriage between a same sex couple as legitimate. As I said before... this judicial movement is mostly for the legal benefits that come with marriage, not for anything religious.

Also, I feel that same sex couples should have a ******** child if they want to! D:< Poor child? I think NOT. Same sex couples are just as capable of raising a children like any other couple, if not better. That child isn't necessarily influenced either. If the parents know how to raise a child they won't influence in any certain direction. Children often come out of these parental situations as being heterosexual... it doesn't influence them as much as one would think it does.

Also, I feel too much faith is put in the Bible. Religion should not just be what the church tells you. Religion should what the church tells you, and also your own beliefs.

Dr. E, please tell me that you at least realize that the first half (figurative, not literally) of the Bible is the whole of Judaism.

Anyway, from at least your earlier posts in this thread Igot a strong impression of a '******** you' to single parents, by choice or not, by the second leaving or dieing. And if that's not the case, then WTF would be wrong with two people of the same gender? People are vastly different. Maybe a girl with brains and a girl with heart wanted to raise a kid together... Or the same but boys... neutral

PS Just because I felt like mentioning...
It's 'no other god before me', not 'no other god', right?
Because... rofl logic would then dictate that there must be more than one god. rofl (Yes, this information is very amussing to me.) It would have to be, because why else would the commandment not just stop at 'no other god'? Why have the 'before me' part at all if there aren't lesser gods?

My belief is that no two people are in the same religion.
- A person's religion is their beliefs.
- Most beliefs are shared, but interpreted differently, if even slightly
- Infinite combinations of beliefs and practices

Which would mean that for a religion to be a group, it would be just a set of people with common beliefs that don't overly conflict.

However, that would mean that few if anyone are 'Catholic', 'Prodastint', 'Muslim'... whatever, unless the religions would ever pull the stick out of their a** and allow for the religion to become a group for people with similar interpretations and beliefs.

~Metalic_Noodles

Okay first off I'd like to say, I'm sorry if I came off like a total douche. It was not my intention. I'm sorry if I offended anyone by anything that I have written. I admit my opening argument wasn't as nice as it could have been but I think throughout the rest of the discussion I generally maintained things as polite as I could articulate them.

And for those of you asking where in the Bible it says homosexual marriage is a sin: It doesn't. Catechism of the Catholic Church.

@ Metalic: As for the statement about single parents (Catholic or not) They have still experienced the bonds of marriage and the spousal relationship. I also noted that each family is different so the roles of the mother and father are not just a textbook definition.

I still maintain my standpoint that gays should not be married under the sacrament of Holy Matrimony. I didn't mean for my attitude to come off as "******** you" and again I apologize. I would hate to lose so many friends over something like this and I hope many of you can forgive me and see this as water under the bridge.

With that I take my leave from this topic and will not respond to it again. I don't want to stir up any more controversy all because my views seem to go 'against the grain'.

Say Healthy
~Dr Entropy

If this is just a discussion like you said, then why leave? Personally once we are in a different thread I will likely have forgotten this, or realize it was the same person. :/

If mommy is left by death or left before the kid is born, then how would the child being conceived in or out of marriage matter? Same with a father, or godparent that is without a spouse... :/

~Metalic_Noodles

I think we've discussed this enough gonk Honestly... like it or not, support it or not, it's gonna happen blaugh So you might as well get used to it ^_^

I agree wholeheartedly and one-hundred percent with everything that jonniekinns has said here.

the christian religion, as far as I understand it, is all about not our will being done but god's. Meaning that you should accept and work toward god's will being done in your life and the lives of the people around you as well as the world. I don't believe that it is correct to say that people should choose what they like and don't like about the bible and add their own things willy-nilly. It's not about that. It's about believing god's word and following god's word to the best of your ability.

I would also like to add that were a mother to die, the child would not be raised as if that mother had never existed.

Godparents are originally a RELIGIOUS idea that you would find a married couple whom you and your spouse would trust to keep your children in the faith upon your death.

and btw I do believe that jonniekinnns chose to leave because he was being bullied. This thread has turned from a gentle discussion [yes I read every post] into a violent bullying of him and his religious beliefs.

That is true, but there is a difference between gay rights and civil rights. Our country is so mindwashed into buying fully into religion that it'll be a tougher thing to get gay rights fully passed. I mean, there is no place in The Bible that says that we should enslave black people, but there are lines in it forbidding a man to lie with another man, or at least, if I remember from when I had to go to Church there is.

While I can't wait for gay people to get all of their rights, I'm not holding my breath for it to happen any time soon