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 Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 5:05 pm
Well yes I realize they're not similar xd But I believe things are on their way, in several other states they are already moving to abolish the laws. It's only a matter of time ^_^
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 5:09 pm
churrlo Well yes I realize they're not similar xd But I believe things are on their way, in several other states they are already moving to abolish the laws. It's only a matter of time ^_^ I think the southern states will do everything in their power to keep it from happening. It definitely is just a matter of time, but how much is the real question.
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 5:31 pm
Damn I'm late to this thread.
First of all. hellz yeah!
Why can't we learn? First, there was Civil Rights, then there was Suffrage (or the other way around) why can't people learn that all races, sexes, religions, and sexualities are equal and should be respected?
I guess, if a church doesn't want to marry a gay couple, they don't have to, even though the bible never said anything about it. But religion should stay completely separate from government.
Also, on something Chuurlo said about the child of a gay couple. First off, I would like to say, I wholeheartedly support gay couples having children. My uncles have a six year old name Timothy, and I love him.
My friend brought up an interesting topic a while ago. Is it OK to bring a child into that situation? Would this affect them socially at all?
I'm sure that my cousin is in for some rough times when he gets into middle and high school, but hopefully his generation will develop some tolerance.
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 5:31 pm
Well, to answer the topic directly, I'd have to say that I don't care what gay and leasbian people do with their lives. It makes me upset when fights are going on about it, since I have more than enough friends who are bisexual or homosexual, but I'm more worried about people mistreating them than anything else. In the end, though, it does seem a bit foolish to think that religion should be the whole reason that it isn't legal to do it.
There is seperation of church and state, and if this was an argument in any way, shape, or form for having a gay religious marrage accepted by the church, I'd have to say suck it up and go home. But since it isn't, I don't see what the hang-up on the issue is. Gay people sharing the bond we see as the start of a family unite could seem threatening, but that isn't a reasonable argument against it.
And when it comes to the side-topic on adoption: I think we all can guess what happens to kids who are never adopted by anyone, and the horrible things they could be subjected to, so why would gay parents cause such an uproar? Even if you do see it as evil, it is the lesser of two evils in the end.
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 9:46 pm
[Tsukasa567] churrlo Well yes I realize they're not similar xd But I believe things are on their way, in several other states they are already moving to abolish the laws. It's only a matter of time ^_^ I think the southern states will do everything in their power to keep it from happening. It definitely is just a matter of time, but how much is the real question. Down with the Baptist church? O:
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 10:11 am
[Tsukasa567] churrlo Tsukasa - Well with civil rights it started with a landmark court case. It's only a matter of time! ^_^ TSN - Man created the bible. Man is flawed. How do we KNOW without a doubt that we're "following God's will" and that certain things are supposed to be certain ways D: Prove to me how we KNOW D: k? That is true, but there is a difference between gay rights and civil rights. Our country is so mindwashed into buying fully into religion that it'll be a tougher thing to get gay rights fully passed. I mean, there is no place in The Bible that says that we should enslave black people, but there are lines in it forbidding a man to lie with another man, or at least, if I remember from when I had to go to Church there is. While I can't wait for gay people to get all of their rights, I'm not holding my breath for it to happen any time soon
If the bible says lay or lie instead of 'have sex' or intimate relations, then the bible is against sleep overs and most militaries where men get to share tents. o.O
rofl
~Metalic_Noodles
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:50 am
churrlo [Tsukasa567] churrlo Well yes I realize they're not similar xd But I believe things are on their way, in several other states they are already moving to abolish the laws. It's only a matter of time ^_^ I think the southern states will do everything in their power to keep it from happening. It definitely is just a matter of time, but how much is the real question. Down with the Baptist church? O: what did i just say about attacking religion? D<
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:52 pm
I was just playing around D:< I don't mean it blaugh (really, I don't mean it)
And Metalic, things like that back in the day meant sex D:
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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 10:11 pm
MissMunchieMonster This is a very delicate topic, but I will give my opinion on it. Firstly I'm not catholic, it's not about religion for me, it's about my own personal relationship with God. I can't say I'm for marriage with same sex couples and that is because I would feel like I was going against God. I strongly believe that God made woman and man so they could be together. I don't hate or dislike homosexuals one bit though, my best friend is homosexual and I've made it clear to him that even though I don't agree with it I will respect his decision and of course I won't push him out of my life because of it. He's a person that deserves as much respect as anyone else. Whatever happens though I still won't support it. I wasn't brainwashed into believing in God, but it's my personal experiences that make me believe that he does exist and I won't let anyone take that away from me.
I don't like when people ask gay people why they are gay or decided to be gay. O_o No one asks straight people why they "decided" to be straight.
It makes sense that it would be thought of as the default sexuality because it's the one that is able to have sex and reproduce as a result of that. But I don't think any deviations from that is a result of choosing to do so...I don't think I could ever feel the way lesbians do about girls because biologically that's just not me. And I think it's the same for homosexuals (but opposite).
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 4:25 am
Metalic_Noodles [Tsukasa567] churrlo Tsukasa - Well with civil rights it started with a landmark court case. It's only a matter of time! ^_^ TSN - Man created the bible. Man is flawed. How do we KNOW without a doubt that we're "following God's will" and that certain things are supposed to be certain ways D: Prove to me how we KNOW D: k? That is true, but there is a difference between gay rights and civil rights. Our country is so mindwashed into buying fully into religion that it'll be a tougher thing to get gay rights fully passed. I mean, there is no place in The Bible that says that we should enslave black people, but there are lines in it forbidding a man to lie with another man, or at least, if I remember from when I had to go to Church there is. While I can't wait for gay people to get all of their rights, I'm not holding my breath for it to happen any time soon
If the bible says lay or lie instead of 'have sex' or intimate relations, then the bible is against sleep overs and most militaries where men get to share tents. o.O
rofl
~Metalic_Noodles That's what I thought it said. Well, most people imply that means sex. Although, it never says anything about a woman and another woman, so God is apparently for lesbians. xd
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 12:08 pm
churrlo I was just playing around D:< I don't mean it blaugh (really, I don't mean it) And Metalic, things like that back in the day meant sex D: i know, i know. but im watching. stare @tsukasa: by man, it meant human.
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 12:33 pm
[Tsukasa567] Metalic_Noodles [Tsukasa567] churrlo Tsukasa - Well with civil rights it started with a landmark court case. It's only a matter of time! ^_^ TSN - Man created the bible. Man is flawed. How do we KNOW without a doubt that we're "following God's will" and that certain things are supposed to be certain ways D: Prove to me how we KNOW D: k? That is true, but there is a difference between gay rights and civil rights. Our country is so mindwashed into buying fully into religion that it'll be a tougher thing to get gay rights fully passed. I mean, there is no place in The Bible that says that we should enslave black people, but there are lines in it forbidding a man to lie with another man, or at least, if I remember from when I had to go to Church there is. While I can't wait for gay people to get all of their rights, I'm not holding my breath for it to happen any time soon
If the bible says lay or lie instead of 'have sex' or intimate relations, then the bible is against sleep overs and most militaries where men get to share tents. o.O
rofl
~Metalic_Noodles That's what I thought it said. Well, most people imply that means sex. Although, it never says anything about a woman and another woman, so God is apparently for lesbians. xd
So I guess that's proof that God is either a lesbian or a guy. *not amused*
Isn't the bible written so that it is open to interpretation? That's how there are so many different religions based on it. I prefer literal, it makes for a much more interesting and ridiculous read. xp
~Metalic_Noodles
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 3:43 pm
Fangz's two cents on Gay people:
I've heard the bible has only one passage about Gays from several different people. Ofcourse, they all gave different passages...
I can't quote much of the bible because I haven't really read any of it except for half of The Book of Revelation. So I don't know much about what the bible says.
But I'll quote a YouTube video I found. (Not exact quote but it has the same point)
"Who wrote the bibe, God or man? Man wrote the bible. Man's been known to lie. Man's been known to make up stories."
I've also been told that the bible was translated from another language. You can't get a perfect translation. The bibles we read today are not the exact wordings of the original bible.
Also, as I said before, God did not write the bible. People wrote the bible. They might have gotten it from like, visions or something. (Like I said, I don't know anything about it) They could've interpretated the vision wrong.
I am not an atheist. I do not plan to become one. But don't you guys think there is a chance, no matter how slight it may be, that our God that we worship could be non-existant? So we could be following someone who may not be real. But I am not an atheist. I believe in God because he did something for me that probaly couldn't have happened on it's own.
Another thing. I was taught in CCD, that God has a plan for everybody. God has a future for everybody. And God loves everybody. God created everyone the way they are for a reason. We don't know this reasoning of his. He works in mysterious ways.
One last thing, we all have a right to love whomever we do love. If the government can't get over the fact that some men fall in love with other men or some women fall in love with other women, our government fails.
We don't even know what triggers love, and we don't know how to stop it to the best of my knowledge. It's not like these people go around choosing who they'll fall in love with. It just happens.
If you just read that whole post and wonder what it has to do with homosexuality, think about it.
If you still don't get it, slam your head against the wall.
Our leaders and lawmakers need to stop focusing on if Gays should be allowed to wed (because they should) and start focusing on things like pollution and Iraq.
EDIT 3: First edit removed, that arguement withdrawed.
EDIT 2: ++++++Also if you are against Gays because it is a sin, humans are natural sinners. We all sin. Not one of us is perfect.
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 5:05 pm
@ Choochoos:THATS WHY ITS CALLED FAITH. BELIEVING WITHOUT NEEDING PROOF.
yes the bible was written by human authors but god inspired them making the bible infallible. Had the author's written something wrong, teachings tell us god would have sent divine intervention to correct the author's errors. Now if you choose to believe the bible has errors, that's your own affair.
@ Fang: Same thing I said to Choochoos as far as you point about the bible containing errors. As far as your note about different translations: yes the bible has been translated into many different languages but that doesn't mean an entire teaching is going to be lost in translation don't you think?
On your note questioning God's existance, I say again: Faith. Yes god does have a plan but that doesn't always align with a human's free will. Our role in life is to live according to God's will but that doesn't always happen. If a husband murders his wife, Is that part of God's plan too? Did God have that in his will too?
Also you yourself said it: We all sin (this includes religious leaders). Are you calling them hypocrites too? Are their opinions null and void also despite the fact that we follow their teachings? Think about that.
Also Metalic, I'd appreciate if you didn't mock the bible.
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Lyss The One In The Back Crew
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Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 7:29 pm
In Lyss's school, we have a GSA club. As much as Lyss would tell everyone to go sit in a meeting and see from their prospective, Lyss won't. Lyss knows she'll be killed.
When Lyss joined her high school as a freshman last year, her English teacher
(who claims to be a Southern Christian woman) hated her even when she wore a cross around her neck for two weeks. DOES THIS MEAN THAT LYSS IS A SATAN CHILD??? D:
[/end off topic]
Lyss is just gonna say this: Where hath all the peace gone?
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