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 Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:24 pm
The Blind Squirrel Kasumi Ocada I just think that it's wrong to kill another living thing unless it's absolutely necessary. you do know that plants are alive?
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Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:01 am
Um, I hate to break this to you guys but because we've stopped hunting animals a lot of them are now dying because of hunger and over population (not talking about farm animals of course)
The only animal I'd say for them to give a break too is the fish. They're being over hunted.
I think that all the countries that are over hunting fish should spread out and eat some walrus, deer, and all other 'coddled' cuz they're cute animals. (Of course keeping in mind that they need to be regulated as well)
Otherwise I do not eat chicken. The way they're kept is just to stupid and breads all sort of dangerous conditions for bacteria.
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:50 am
Humans are omnivores. x:
Meaning that we generally eat both meat and plants.
Animals kill animals. People kill animals. Is there really a difference? To reference what Rioku said; they may as well b***h and moan about the lion ripping the throat of a gazelle out.
My thoughts on the whole business?
I really don't care.
For every animal someone else won't eat; i'm eating three. (Maybe two..)
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Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:44 am
why,why,why not just stop eating at all
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:52 pm
dboyzero I believe a much more relevant course of action, rather than giving up meat altogether, wold be to only eat meat that you know is raised and prepared in a healthy and humane manner. They have free-range chickens for sale, I'm sure that you could find some similar product for beef, pork, and fish. This is exactly the right idea. After all, Viva! protests the way that animals are being raised. Eating raw meat in our more primitive forms is what gave us our brain power, and humans are omnivorous, it's just the way we are. But it doesn't mean that we have to raise animals for our consumption the way that we do.
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:02 am
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Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:23 pm
In the words of someone I don't know's signature banner, "Meat is murder. Tasty, tasty murder." I can understand why some people are vegetarians, I even know a couple. One friend doesn't eat meat because she was forced to eat it while growing up and the taste sickens her to this day. The problem comes when vegetarians try to force their beliefs on others through "shocking" facts. Any site that is trying to promote something will completely neglect the other side's opinions or they will choose the weakest arguments to debunk. If I wanted to, I could find a site dedicated to people who are against vegetarianism, but I'm lazy right now. I'll just say that it doesn't matter what is being advertised (yes, that site is an advertisement) the most effective means to get your point across is through shock. How many of you have seen the "Donate a dollar to feed this hungry girl" commercials on TV? They pick the worst-looking, hungriest, most run-down images they can to make you believe that what you are seeing is normal. Much the same way, that site is only showing the worst, not the norm. If you want to go vegetarian simply because you want animals to be treated better, you're wasting your time. Only if the demand for meat drops significantly, and I'm talking 3/4 of the US/world population going vegan here, will people realize that it is no longer profitable to raise meat. Personally, I love meat and there are few vegetables I can tolerate. I'll gladly eat a fried chicken sandwich with a leaf of lettuce, even an occasional salad, but that salad will be full of ham cubes and bacon bits. Also, you should realize that going vegetarian is not actually as healthy as it sounds. Vegetarians need supplements of protein and other things that are found naturally in meat, and those things aren't cheap. We were made to eat meat and vegetables together, hence the reason humans are natural omnivores. Our teeth are designed for both diets: molars for grinding vegetables, incisors and front teeth for chopping through meat.
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Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:57 am
Meat is good. I could never give it up.
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:11 pm
He'll always be my I watched the video of the pigs,
the poor darlings.
But it really is impossible to get everyone to stop eating meats,
which would be the only sollution to the horrible conditions the animals are kept in.
As long as there are people who eat meat,
there will be people cruelly raising animals that way.
(I thought animal cruelty was illegal though. Ah well, people don't care about the law.)
Now time for a Spaztastically dumb comment!
If we stop eating meat, the fluffy chickens will take over the world! S u p e r h e r o <3
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:18 pm
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:25 pm
Sorceress Ameneka After checking out this website and much thought on the subject, I think I'm gonna be a vegetarian. The stuff listed on that website is really sad. http://viva.org.uk/Would you give up eating meat for animal rights? Or, no? Why/Why not stop eating meat? Rules: Respect each other. No calling meat eaters/vegetarians/vegans bad names, or giving them trouble. Respect each other's opinions. Edit: Before you post anything, I highly recommend that you visit the website, because it gives a lot of facts about the current treatment of animals, and other information. ok...no offense..but that site is, as far as i can tell...crap. "Eating meat causes environmental destruction, damages human health, contributes to global hunger and inflicts immense suffering on billions of animals across the world."....i see no proof of this... i'm a meat eater and i've no desire to change that, it's just human nature to eat meat, we are, after all, omnivorous, that means we eat both, meat and veggies. i think if you want to be a vegitarian, so be it....but as for me, i'll have my salad with a steak. (just my opinion, no offense intended)
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Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:35 pm
Humans are part of kingdom animalia, which means we are animals. If you wouldnt protest to on animal eating another, then why protest to us eating animals? The strong survive. Thats the way it works. Humans became stronger, so we eat the weak other animals.
If humans are developed in the right way to eat cows, pigs and fish, then thats what were supposed to eat. If we werent made to eat meat, then We wouldnt have canine teeth, or many other developments that nature or god (whatever you beleive) has given us.
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:58 pm
black_wing_angel "Eating meat causes environmental destruction, damages human health, contributes to global hunger and inflicts immense suffering on billions of animals across the world."....i see no proof of this... Farms that raise animals for consumption commercially are definite environmental issues, as the waste generated often becomes run-off that flows into nearby bodies of water, or seeps into ground water. The seepage poisons our own water supply, as well as disrupting the pH balance of the surrounding soil. Run-off leads to algal blooms which kills most, if not all, the wildlife living in the water, and renders it just about useless for human purposes. Eating too much red meat leads to cholesterol build-up and high-blood pressure, and meat that is not prepared correctly or is infected with the variety of diseases around the world today causes many kinds of food poisoning and health risks. The land required to raise meat for one person could easily be used to farm grains that could feed twelve. Also, the energy you get from one serving of meat is actually ten times less than the amount you would get from eating the same amount of plants. In order to eat animals you must kill them. Since billions of animals die in order to be eaten, I'm sure these animals are suffering, whether we are dragging them out of the ocean and ripping their guts out, or if we're cutting their heads of and hoisting them up on hooks. Now, all of these problems exist, but they aren't reasons not to eat meat; rather, they are reasons to change the way we GET our meat.
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:07 pm
This first half of the post is before I've seen the website. I've been a vegetarian for about two and a half years, and am easing myself into veganism. I believe that animals are unfairly treated as a lower life form due to their own lack of intelligence, but personally, I've known cats smarter than people I've had college classes with. I love animals and I can't understand why they are automatically termed as lower life forms without even examining their thoughts... Which, of course, we cannot do yet. That isn't their fault. People often give the excuse of "Eat animals... Remember they wouldn't hesitate to eat you". Well, I truly believe that many animals do not have active conscientious concerns regarding the lives of anything but their own families. Does that mean I should behave that way, and disregard everyone but my own family and my own pack? Not at all. I'm choosing to take the high road and do what is RIGHT instead of emulating a creature that I look down on enough to kill.
^~-First half-~^
v~-Second half-~v
Well, I read the vegan section... I learned little about the rights of animals (Man, I tell ya. A YEAR of vegetarianism makes ya study. Let alone two years.) but I learned some about the health benefits. Very interesting.
I just want to know how someone could consider going vegetarian for the rights of animals and not have the urge to go vegan...
But I guess vegetarianism is usually not so much the RIGHTS of animals as the LIVES of them, which is fair enough.
So... I hope everyone in this thread at least considers Veganism as a real choice, and Vegetarianism as a possible alternative to brutal and unhealthy eating habits. ;D
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As a reply to an argument I disagree with: Emmas13, we have canines for shredding. Many herbivorous animals have some form of shredding tooth as well. We have mostly flat teeth for chewing... Well... Plants.
More than likely we evolved them due to omnivorous tendencies, but our mouths are still primarily geared towards the consumption of plant life.
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v~-Closing argument-~v
All this being said, I've dated three vegetarians in my life. I didn't have a lot of respect for any of them. I have no beef (pun only kind of intended)with omnivores. But please don't go overboard... If you cut down on your meat consumption, we can easily multiply the food supply by NOT wasting so much land on cattle (which consume more food than they supply). Don't eat steak every night. Not only for the environment, humans, and animals, but for yourself. Meat is not very healthy. Remember that. Fish and chicken are the best bets for healthy meat-eating lifestyles.
And I think I'm done. D:
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:05 pm
dboyzero black_wing_angel "Eating meat causes environmental destruction, damages human health, contributes to global hunger and inflicts immense suffering on billions of animals across the world."....i see no proof of this... Farms that raise animals for consumption commercially are definite environmental issues, as the waste generated often becomes run-off that flows into nearby bodies of water, or seeps into ground water. The seepage poisons our own water supply, as well as disrupting the pH balance of the surrounding soil. Run-off leads to algal blooms which kills most, if not all, the wildlife living in the water, and renders it just about useless for human purposes. Eating too much red meat leads to cholesterol build-up and high-blood pressure, and meat that is not prepared correctly or is infected with the variety of diseases around the world today causes many kinds of food poisoning and health risks. The land required to raise meat for one person could easily be used to farm grains that could feed twelve. Also, the energy you get from one serving of meat is actually ten times less than the amount you would get from eating the same amount of plants. In order to eat animals you must kill them. Since billions of animals die in order to be eaten, I'm sure these animals are suffering, whether we are dragging them out of the ocean and ripping their guts out, or if we're cutting their heads of and hoisting them up on hooks. Now, all of these problems exist, but they aren't reasons not to eat meat; rather, they are reasons to change the way we GET our meat. um...just a note on the "in order to eat animals you must kill them" statement....the same is equally true for vegetables, only difference, is that they aren't proven to feel pain. oh, and a lot of animals don't "suffer" when they're harvested, from what i've seen. my dad had a hog processed into meat for our freezer, and i even asked the guy how they actually kill the pig, and he mentioned that HIS slaughter-house shoot them in the head, which is quick and probably painless, so there's no real "suffering" there.... whether that's true for ALL slaughterhouses though, is questionable... either way, i'll continue to eat meat as long as there's breath in my lungs..
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