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 Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:52 pm
My apologies, I was just remarking on xiaryth's grouping of Fundamental Catholics with Protestant Christians. They aren't the same, they're similar just not interchangeable terms.
Sorry about not specifying about that. Please forgive my newness and making vague statements in a debate. smile
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:40 am
That's okay, I see what you're talking about, now.
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:27 pm
Heh, thats surprising. I never thought about that point XD
I'm not religious myself, however, I think the general trend of the christian view of god is that, yes, he kills many thousends of people, but hes a vindictive, retributional god who smites and punishes essentially everyone who's not some kind of saint or devout follower.
Meanwhile from what I know of their view of their devil is not so much that he's trying to kill people, or anything, but rather, simply dissuade them from religion, or trick people into getting his own agenda done for him whatever that might be.
Esentially, "believe what we tell you or god will kill you, be careful of non-believers for they have been tricked by satan." Type dealie.
No wonder it's survived so long.
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Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:20 am
Luft Kreig I feel extraordinarily awkward jumping into a debate pretty much at the end but I just wish to clarify one thing. Catholicism and Christianity are actually two different groups of a split religion. Catholicism was the original Church and was in place first. Some members of the Church didn't approve of the way that it was being run and decided to break away from the church. These Protestants, Christians, formed their own church away from the Catholic Church. The Protestants unable to unanimously agree on how to run their new church, split into denominational groups with different fundamental beliefs and views. Some take things literally and others metaphorically on certain key issues. For this reason I feel it is unfair to group together the Catholic Church and the Protestant Churches as one unit. It's also unfair to group together all Protestant Churches because they all have different standpoints making them, in essence, different Churches. All Christians shouldn't be subjected to generalizations based on one persons experience with only a fraction of the entire population. Thank you for letting me say that and if anyone has anything they would like to ask, please do. biggrin One of my friends is Catholic,and I'm Christian. She keeps trying to convince me Christians and Catholics are the same because they both believe in god. D: So for this reason I thank you. I couldn't exactly find a way to explain to her that they are in fact different religions. *Sorry got off topic >>;;*It'd be different if God was sending all those people to hell. Thats punishment. Who knows really? I find it hard to rely on the bible for religous reference because it was written by man. Man has fault. They could've made errors,edited a few parts.
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Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:06 am
Evil is really a human term that we've coined to explain something so terrible or unbelievably nasty that we don't know what else to call it. To try and judge supposedly sentiant beings by human standards is a difficult thing to do. After all, if you were so powerful that you could clap your hands and the entire universe just popped into exsistance do you really think life and death mean anything to you? or evil or good for that matter. Trying to classify 'god' or 'satan' in a human way is an excersize in futility simply because if they're real then they are completely outside our collective moral systems. You can't put a human term on an inhuman thing. It's like saying "that leopard is so evil for killing that bunny". It's not evil, it's just doing what it's supposed to be doing. And, on top of all that, if you get technical, you could blame god for every death that has ever occured in the history of human exsistance. If you believe that god is the all powerful alpha and omega of all things then he is also responsable for death because if he wanted to he would keep as all alive forever. But you also have to go in the opposite extream, he would also be responsable for every life that ever was lived, every birth and sprouting seedling. So, really, in the end, if he was responsable for all this his score would pretty much even out to zero because he gave us all life and then he took it all away as well. I don't think it's something that should be blamed on anything though, I think death is a natural part of every living system. It's the basic element of oposites. For every good there is a bad, for dark there is light, for life there is death. If it wasn't balanced it couldn't work and function.
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Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:18 pm
Megus says: Nice, link. Really got me thinkin'. Well, actually whee , I'm unitarian, and always have been, so I guess this just reinforces my thoughts on God. That is all, now obey.
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:48 pm
minka18 nice, i'm supposed to be catholic and so i find it kind of funny. but i still a agree with most of the comments on that blog.. still, a lot of people will say that all those people were killed for the greatest good. and me as a catholic should be saying the same. so All of those kills were done for the greatest good. and come on!, God killed some of those people to protect others who deserved better. actually, the genocide committed by YHVH's followers in the desert was ordered by god because the people of those cities didnt believe in him.
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:58 pm
it's my opinion that the concepts of 'good' and 'evil' are rather subjective. it's a matter of perspective. we largely agree that there are certain things that to the majority are, indeed evil. but on an individual basis, what is good for one is generally bad for something else in some way on some level. when a wolf goes out hunting prey to feed her young and catches a rabbit, it's good for her 'cause she can feed her babys, but it's evil for the rabbit for obvious reasons. even to the crazy serial killer.. what he does, in his own mind, is good. in some cases, I've heard of crazies who believed they were killing people on behalf of god... or it just plain makes him feel good, no matter how bizarre and evil it is to the rest of the world.
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 6:03 pm
unrequietedCat Evil is really a human term that we've coined to explain something so terrible or unbelievably nasty that we don't know what else to call it. To try and judge supposedly sentiant beings by human standards is a difficult thing to do. After all, if you were so powerful that you could clap your hands and the entire universe just popped into exsistance do you really think life and death mean anything to you? or evil or good for that matter. Trying to classify 'god' or 'satan' in a human way is an excersize in futility simply because if they're real then they are completely outside our collective moral systems. You can't put a human term on an inhuman thing. It's like saying "that leopard is so evil for killing that bunny". It's not evil, it's just doing what it's supposed to be doing. And, on top of all that, if you get technical, you could blame god for every death that has ever occured in the history of human exsistance. If you believe that god is the all powerful alpha and omega of all things then he is also responsable for death because if he wanted to he would keep as all alive forever. But you also have to go in the opposite extream, he would also be responsable for every life that ever was lived, every birth and sprouting seedling. So, really, in the end, if he was responsable for all this his score would pretty much even out to zero because he gave us all life and then he took it all away as well. I don't think it's something that should be blamed on anything though, I think death is a natural part of every living system. It's the basic element of oposites. For every good there is a bad, for dark there is light, for life there is death. If it wasn't balanced it couldn't work and function. yes! I agree. they are 2 sides of the same coin. you could not KNOW one without the other. try defining light without knowing darkness. and death is a necessary thing, on the whole. life in general feeds off of death. Just think what this planet would be like if nothing or even just no humans died? we wouldnt exist anymore. we'd have gone extinct ages ago.
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:34 pm
God, like all people in power abuse it and kill with a furiocity that makes them always seem evil and eventually lose fans and power. Im sure aithiest or another religous group will probably keep control of the masses if this info got let out.
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Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:56 pm
ok, your thinking too hard on this...ok, every 5 seconds, a baby is born... not to mention that there are already WAY too many people already... i think tha Almighty is just keeping things in balance! besides, if you were like 200 years old and had all kinds of illness, you would want to die right?
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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:25 pm
Ultra Sarah We can all agree that killing is evil right? Well, God doesn't seem to agree. I am not a Satanist, I'm without a religion (atheist). But this is messed up. Your thoughts? Topics: Is it okay to kill what you've created? athiesm isn't without religion it's downright displacing the very existance of god, and not beileve at all. With that said don't take anything the bible says seriosly it's all old out dated book they've bine changing from hundreds of years via telephone tag. The tower of babel was a jewish joke, jesus was a chiropractor who was miss translated as "walking on water" when he walked on the shore, and mosses collecting water from a rock a geologist did that in iraq aswell somthing about salt crusting around the water or whatever. Anyway no not really. You should take pride and responcibility in your creation no matter what it is. Anything a human creates can be a beatifull miracle or a hideous dis-figured accident..if it's the later yes you can kill it I suppose or "destroy" it puted nicely. Thats what evolution does. It gets rid of the mistakes and only lets the good copies survive thats god at work.
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:07 am
Gopher dude Ultra Sarah We can all agree that killing is evil right? Well, God doesn't seem to agree. I am not a Satanist, I'm without a religion (atheist). But this is messed up. Your thoughts? Topics: Is it okay to kill what you've created? With that said don't take anything the bible says seriosly it's all old out dated book they've bine changing from hundreds of years via telephone tag. The tower of babel was a jewish joke, jesus was a chiropractor who was miss translated as "walking on water" when he walked on the shore, and mosses collecting water from a rock a geologist did that in iraq aswell somthing about salt crusting around the water or whatever. Anyway no not really. You should take pride and responcibility in your creation no matter what it is. Anything a human creates can be a beatifull miracle or a hideous dis-figured accident..if it's the later yes you can kill it I suppose or "destroy" it puted nicely. Thats what evolution does. It gets rid of the mistakes and only lets the good copies survive thats god at work. @bold.. how can atheism "displace" what it doesnt feel was there to begin with? atheism IS without religion. it is the total absence of belief in deity. religion consists of first of all... a god (at least one), worship, congregation, and traditions. atheism has NONE of that. atheists do not 'congregate' and talk about the principles of atheism. there are no stories they share, no worship, and most of all, no god.
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:12 am
lilraine Gopher dude Ultra Sarah We can all agree that killing is evil right? Well, God doesn't seem to agree. I am not a Satanist, I'm without a religion (atheist). But this is messed up. Your thoughts? Topics: Is it okay to kill what you've created? With that said don't take anything the bible says seriosly it's all old out dated book they've bine changing from hundreds of years via telephone tag. The tower of babel was a jewish joke, jesus was a chiropractor who was miss translated as "walking on water" when he walked on the shore, and mosses collecting water from a rock a geologist did that in iraq aswell somthing about salt crusting around the water or whatever. Anyway no not really. You should take pride and responcibility in your creation no matter what it is. Anything a human creates can be a beatifull miracle or a hideous dis-figured accident..if it's the later yes you can kill it I suppose or "destroy" it puted nicely. Thats what evolution does. It gets rid of the mistakes and only lets the good copies survive thats god at work. @bold.. how can atheism "displace" what it doesnt feel was there to begin with? atheism IS without religion. it is the total absence of belief in deity. religion consists of first of all... a god (at least one), worship, congregation, and traditions. atheism has NONE of that. atheists do not 'congregate' and talk about the principles of atheism. there are no stories they share, no worship, and most of all, no god. You over thought what I said. It was a simple one sentance definition of athiesm not a complex thing with many diffrent meanings. neutral
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:39 pm
Gopher dude lilraine Gopher dude Ultra Sarah We can all agree that killing is evil right? Well, God doesn't seem to agree. I am not a Satanist, I'm without a religion (atheist). But this is messed up. Your thoughts? Topics: Is it okay to kill what you've created? With that said don't take anything the bible says seriosly it's all old out dated book they've bine changing from hundreds of years via telephone tag. The tower of babel was a jewish joke, jesus was a chiropractor who was miss translated as "walking on water" when he walked on the shore, and mosses collecting water from a rock a geologist did that in iraq aswell somthing about salt crusting around the water or whatever. Anyway no not really. You should take pride and responcibility in your creation no matter what it is. Anything a human creates can be a beatifull miracle or a hideous dis-figured accident..if it's the later yes you can kill it I suppose or "destroy" it puted nicely. Thats what evolution does. It gets rid of the mistakes and only lets the good copies survive thats god at work. @bold.. how can atheism "displace" what it doesnt feel was there to begin with? atheism IS without religion. it is the total absence of belief in deity. religion consists of first of all... a god (at least one), worship, congregation, and traditions. atheism has NONE of that. atheists do not 'congregate' and talk about the principles of atheism. there are no stories they share, no worship, and most of all, no god. You over thought what I said. It was a simple one sentance definition of athiesm not a complex thing with many diffrent meanings. neutral sorry.. but when you make a statement saying "atheism isnt without religion" seemed pretty straight forward to me, with no other way to interpret it.. and in that light, it's completely in error. so if that's not what you meant, what indeed did you mean? smile
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