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 Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:41 am
I am myself a vegetarian. And by that, I mean, I don't eat anything that had a brain. for me, I think that having a brain means that they can feel pain. I also only eat free range eggs, and drink milk from brands that I've researched in regard to more cruelty than usual, but I'm thinking about giving up milk entirely.
I think that the most important thing for people to realise is that humans aren't necessarily superior enough to have the right to carelessly destroy everything except themselves.
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:59 am
Baulder Look, humans eat meat, animals eat meat, we ALL eat meat! Except for deers and etc... But anyways, there is no way I would switch to being a vegeterian. I'm on top of the foodchain, and I like it this way. But the problem here is not that humans eat meat, the problem is that we can get meat too easily nowadays! Think about! We've got guns and technolgy so advanced, we can kill probably 3 deer from a mile away! Adn we've got markets, McDonalds, farms, so many food companies! I think, that if humanity just reverted to the old "You eat what you catch" method, everything would be fine. yes that would be very good if mcdonalds went out of buisness becuase it kills too many cows and as for your idea of eat what you catch thats a good idea
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:02 am
beccy_and_stuff I think that the most important thing for people to realise is that humans aren't necessarily superior enough to have the right to carelessly destroy everything except themselves. dude have you been under a rock all your life humans cant seem to go long before declairing war on other nations just to ease their blood lust
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:16 pm
I don't think the argument is that humans aren't CAPABLE of doing so, but that humans don't have the RIGHT to do so. Unless, of course, you're arguing that one has the right to do whatever one is capable of?
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:19 pm
dboyzero I don't think the argument is that humans aren't CAPABLE of doing so, but that humans don't have the RIGHT to do so. Unless, of course, you're arguing that one has the right to do whatever one is capable of? Well that is one of the basic principals of evolutionary thought. As ones skills and abilities progress what they are capable of doing with them becomes a wider spectrum. Granted now we're looking at the more negative scale of our capabilities but the greater we become as a race the more liberties we take with our influence. By all technicality the only right we all posses equally is indeed the right to do whatever we're capable of. You can actually see the psychological regression of such concepting in many online role playing games where player killers slay others simply because they can without significant consequence. The only thing that creates the illusion of everyone no having the right to impose on other people and species is the agreed upon concept of "If I don't hurt you then you won't hurt me." It's all philosophy at that point and as such you put enough stress on an environment and it will dissolve. As for the other thoughts recently expressed... I think we should try to get people to stop killing and being cruel to other people before we worry about whether or not they're killing or being cruel to animals. For no other reason than scaling. As long as people accept murder, kidnapping, rape and torture as things that exist even if not visible daily... the odds of us halting similar cruelties towards lower beings is slim to none. I'm just sayin.
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:44 am
beccy_and_stuff I am myself a vegetarian. And by that, I mean, I don't eat anything that had a brain. for me, I think that having a brain means that they can feel pain. I also only eat free range eggs, and drink milk from brands that I've researched in regard to more cruelty than usual, but I'm thinking about giving up milk entirely. I think that the most important thing for people to realise is that humans aren't necessarily superior enough to have the right to carelessly destroy everything except themselves. But humans aren't ever going to realize that. We have been destroying things we need for a very long time, and we are not going to stop now. And sorry to burst your bubble, but not eating meat isn't going to do much on the global scale, especially when there are more serious problems afoot than where my steak came from.
This sort of ties in with the question "Do we have the right to decide who (or what) live and dies?"
Blame it in instinct. We were eating meat long before anyone thought it was wrong. Welcome to the glorious and wonderful world that is the ANIMAL KINGDOM. Where the law is eat or be eaten (:
I find this whole save the animals thing just sad. Only because there are more campaigns for saving furry animals than anything else.
No one gives a s**t if a girl has three abortions because she 'needs' to. So, sorry if I don't give a s**t about where the meat on my plate comes from. We need to start saving ourselves, or at least pieces of our humanity before we are fit to do anything else. And it is a terrible philosophy, only because none of the above is ever going to happen.
Not to be pessimistic...but I am not going to fool myself into thinking we have the ability to change ourselves when we are comfy with things as it is.
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:05 pm
R i o k u beccy_and_stuff I am myself a vegetarian. And by that, I mean, I don't eat anything that had a brain. for me, I think that having a brain means that they can feel pain. I also only eat free range eggs, and drink milk from brands that I've researched in regard to more cruelty than usual, but I'm thinking about giving up milk entirely. I think that the most important thing for people to realise is that humans aren't necessarily superior enough to have the right to carelessly destroy everything except themselves. But humans aren't ever going to realize that. We have been destroying things we need for a very long time, and we are not going to stop now. And sorry to burst your bubble, but not eating meat isn't going to do much on the global scale, especially when there are more serious problems afoot than where my steak came from.
This sort of ties in with the question "Do we have the right to decide who (or what) live and dies?"
Blame it in instinct. We were eating meat long before anyone thought it was wrong. Welcome to the glorious and wonderful world that is the ANIMAL KINGDOM. Where the law is eat or be eaten (:
I find this whole save the animals thing just sad. Only because there are more campaigns for saving furry animals than anything else.
No one gives a s**t if a girl has three abortions because she 'needs' to. So, sorry if I don't give a s**t about where the meat on my plate comes from. We need to start saving ourselves, or at least pieces of our humanity before we are fit to do anything else. And it is a terrible philosophy, only because none of the above is ever going to happen.
Not to be pessimistic...but I am not going to fool myself into thinking we have the ability to change ourselves when we are comfy with things as it is. I was with you until you mentioned that we need to save ourselves and stop saving the animals. I'm all about moving the priority away from animals... but I don't think we need any more saving. In reality I think we need some severe population control. We don't need more help surviving. I think that if we stopped trying to save everything that isn't really at risk we'd do better.
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:18 pm
torrinne I have a bone to pick with the bit on that site that says (in a nutshell) that eating meat is bad for you. Well, let's look at that, shall we? Now, the human body is made up of proteins, right? Made up of amino acids. Now, meat is the best way to get these amino acids to rebuild your body, because meats contain ALL of the amino acids you need to survive. So, could somebody please explain to me how meat is bad? If you check the statistics you'll find that the majority of vegetarians live longer than the majority of meat eaters. why? there are a few reasons. One, a vegetarian diet consists of less fat and therefore makes you less likely to develop diseases such as obesity and heart attacks. there are also less deep fried vegetarian meals and no Red Tofu shops. Two, a vegetarian diet has to be balanced. you wont get away with constantly eating the same things so easily. Three, due to the amount of carbohydrates consumed, vegetarians are more likely to have extra energy and exercise more. especially with a vegetarian but not vegan diet, it is possible to have the same proteins, vitamins and other nescessary things without eating meat, and if you have problems that require you to have more iron or something else in todays society there are other supplements.
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:30 am
Grypesagon R i o k u beccy_and_stuff I am myself a vegetarian. And by that, I mean, I don't eat anything that had a brain. for me, I think that having a brain means that they can feel pain. I also only eat free range eggs, and drink milk from brands that I've researched in regard to more cruelty than usual, but I'm thinking about giving up milk entirely. I think that the most important thing for people to realise is that humans aren't necessarily superior enough to have the right to carelessly destroy everything except themselves. But humans aren't ever going to realize that. We have been destroying things we need for a very long time, and we are not going to stop now. And sorry to burst your bubble, but not eating meat isn't going to do much on the global scale, especially when there are more serious problems afoot than where my steak came from.
This sort of ties in with the question "Do we have the right to decide who (or what) live and dies?"
Blame it in instinct. We were eating meat long before anyone thought it was wrong. Welcome to the glorious and wonderful world that is the ANIMAL KINGDOM. Where the law is eat or be eaten (:
I find this whole save the animals thing just sad. Only because there are more campaigns for saving furry animals than anything else.
No one gives a s**t if a girl has three abortions because she 'needs' to. So, sorry if I don't give a s**t about where the meat on my plate comes from. We need to start saving ourselves, or at least pieces of our humanity before we are fit to do anything else. And it is a terrible philosophy, only because none of the above is ever going to happen.
Not to be pessimistic...but I am not going to fool myself into thinking we have the ability to change ourselves when we are comfy with things as it is. I was with you until you mentioned that we need to save ourselves and stop saving the animals. I'm all about moving the priority away from animals... but I don't think we need any more saving. In reality I think we need some severe population control. We don't need more help surviving. I think that if we stopped trying to save everything that isn't really at risk we'd do better. I think you interpreted what I said wrong.
I never said we need to STOP saving the animals. I would never say that because it is something I don't believe.
I find it replusive that people would wear something from an animal that has linguring numbers as it is.
But save the cows? Save the pigs? Save the chickens? C'mon people, there is enough to go around and then some. Save something that we might never see again, Panda, Polar Bear, Tiger...
And I am not ignorant to the fact that we are suffocating ourselves by overpopulation. But what do you want us tt do? It isn't like I can suggest we just kill humans at a certain age to keep population down, that is wrong. Those of us who live in Democratic countries don't have laws that pertain to the number of children you are allowed to have. So, enlighten me on some ideas to keep the human population in check
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:02 am
Sorry I shoudl've been more clear about my statement of which animals. But as for overpopulation...
I'm voting to reinstate canabalism. Who's with me!?
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:04 pm
The problem with overpopulation is relative concentration of humans, not the actual amount. Just like the problem isn't that we don't have enough food to feed everyone, it's that we don't have it distributed.
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 10:49 am
dboyzero The problem with overpopulation is relative concentration of humans, not the actual amount. Just like the problem isn't that we don't have enough food to feed everyone, it's that we don't have it distributed. Not to contradict you, just a minor correction, we don't actually produce enough food for everyone. We produce enough food to be able to feed 5/6 of the population of the planet. However to give momentum back to you point because of poor distribution we only actually feed between 2/3 and 3/4 of the population so yes there is a significant amount of loss there. (this is based on number from late 2004. I haven't re-researched it)
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Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:35 pm
Regardless of what we're producing, we still have massive stockpiles of food all over the world. That, combined with inefficient land use, puts us far below the production possibilities frontier.
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 7:25 am
i have something you should probably consider saving first. stop expirimenting on monkeys to find cures for us humans
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:13 pm
dreams into nights yami i have something you should probably consider saving first. stop expirimenting on monkeys to find cures for us humans Ok. o_o
Now, what are your views on people not eating meat?
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