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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:35 pm
R i o k u dreams into nights yami i have something you should probably consider saving first. stop expirimenting on monkeys to find cures for us humans Ok. o_o
Now, what are your views on people not eating meat? I think people should eat the monkeys.
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:43 am
R i o k u dreams into nights yami i have something you should probably consider saving first. stop expirimenting on monkeys to find cures for us humans Ok. o_o
Now, what are your views on people not eating meat? meat is food people need food to survive. people need certian ammounts of food and nuetrients to survive or we get sick while most people think that eating meat makes you fat thats not totaly true anything can make you fat or unhealthy you just have to keep everything in moderation
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:36 pm
dreams into nights yami R i o k u dreams into nights yami i have something you should probably consider saving first. stop expirimenting on monkeys to find cures for us humans Ok. o_o
Now, what are your views on people not eating meat? meat is food people need food to survive. people need certian ammounts of food and nuetrients to survive or we get sick while most people think that eating meat makes you fat thats not totaly true anything can make you fat or unhealthy you just have to keep everything in moderation Actually, you do not need meat to survive. I am perfectly healthy, and I am a vegetarian. Some people like meat more then the alternatives, but that is all.
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:20 am
yes... you can survive without meat. Is it the healthiest option? No. But we humans, being omnivorous, are amazingly capable to adapt. If our bodies aren't given meat... it'll work with what you give it. You're still very likely to be deficient in something though. Typically Iron or Protein. Excluding any entire food group from your diet causes complications without supplimenting the provided nutritional aspects.
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:16 am
ahh i did not say to survive i said that we could get sick if we dont get a balanced ammount of neutrients
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Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:34 am
dboyzero I have a policy of eating just about anything, meat included. Meat is a commercial industry like anything else, with people trying to maximize profit while minimizing cost. I personally don't agree with their treatment of animals and their practices which damage the environment, but giving up meat isn't the solution to the problem. No matter how many people you try and convert to vegetarianism, there's just too much of a reliance on the meat industry in the world, not to mention the health needs of those who don't have the convenience of protein supplements or whatnot to replace the meat in their diet. Essentially, rather, nearly exactly what I would have said, namely the bold. And as sad as it is, even if magically we weren't dependent on the meat industry, you could say goodbye to Bessie, Clara-Cluck and Porky. Besides for the very short continuation of those farms that would want to keep them as pets, without the meat industry, these animals would not have commercial purpose to raise. Sadly, we are a commercial world. Thus, without us consuming them, they would disappear.
While it is unbearably hypocritical of me to say, with the consumption of meat; out of sight, out of mind. I do feel for the animals that are treated in such an inhumane manner, but I don't see it as a reason to stop the consumption of meat, especially since vegetarianism would not stop the problem! If I DID stop eating meat, it's essentially a cop-out that I could use to make myself feel better about the issue; that I'm not fueling the soulless 'meat machine'. I do NOT think vegetarians are cop-out [ers?] by any means, not at all, please don't get offended, I have good friends that are vegetarian and vegan. But, in my own mentality, that's what it would do to address the actual issue of animal cruelty.
In short: Does being veggie solve animal cruelty, blackvoice? Hell naw. Are humans going to do what they're going to do, blackvoice? Mmm--uhmmm. Are humans destructive beings, more in favor of progress over care, blackvoice? Hell yeaaahhhh.
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 8:47 pm
Well for one thing, human's need meat. It's just genetically needed in our system. Even vegetarians have to take substitute pills to replace the chemicals that they don't get from vegtables.
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:20 pm
I looked at the website and the organisation looks like it is similar to SAFE (Saving animals from explotation) a New Zealand organisation who I have worked for in the past.
I am not a vegetarian, but I will not eat any meat that comes from pork.
The reason for this is that in New Zealand meat all the meat we eat is locally produced. Most of the country's land is used for agricultural purposes and agriculture is our main export. All the cows and sheep in New Zealand are kept in excellant conditions. Because of our mild climate they are kept grazing all year round, and I myself have seen the care that farmers have for their stock.
Unfortuantly I can not say the same for our pig farms. In fact they are kept in appalling conditions, where they can not move, and start developing unusual behaviour.
For this reason I only eat beef and lamb.
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:06 pm
I am not vegetarian, and I'll never be! 3nodding
I have a balanced nutrition : I am human, so my species is omnivorous. I know that I'm lucky to live at a time I can eat meat everyday if I want ; maybe I'm of the first generation like that in my family since prehistoric times!
I am French and I love good food. heart Cook is an art. When you do art, you may be able to use every colors. And who can really say : "I have eaten foie gras, and I don't want to do it again cause ducks are cramed! " ?????
People of the world, just eat good things, and you'll be healthy! So simple... useless to drop your steack! wink
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 2:18 pm
It's not a question of health (although that's certainly one side of the argument) but about the humanity of how we treat our food. Just because something tastes good shouldn't give you the right to get at it no matter what, for a variety of reasons. If you tasted a dish and only later found out that it was (for the sake of this example) a dead baby, would you feel the same way about it? On a different note: A more environmentally-centered reason for veganism/vegetarianism/meat reduction.
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:58 pm
Animals were put on this earth to be eaten by humans and other animals, which eventually are eaten by humans XD. It's a fact of life. Plus, you need certain vitamins and minerals in meat to keep your body healthy, like certain proteins and iron. Animal cruelty won't stop even if everyone turned vegetarian, it will just slow down the process and make our economy rise even more than it is already.
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:28 pm
On the contrary, we humans do not eat all animals, and most animals that eat other animals are not eaten by people. Also, to say that they were put on the planet to be eaten by us or others means that animals couldn't have existed before people did. I hope you can rephrase your argument.
Also, putting economic pressure on meat production seems to be a fine way to reduce inhumane treatment of animals, please explain how you think otherwise. I'm not sure what you mean by slowing down the process or making our economy "rise," so if you could please explain that also I would appreciate it.
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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:11 am
Cars cause environmental damage too.
I don't see anyone volunterring to give their cars up. We can take buses, ride bikes etc. There is no need for cars (:
There are always alternatives to doing things that will benifit someone in some way.
You might say "Why should I give up my car?"
Well, why should I give up my meat?
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Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:14 pm
People *should* give up their cars for more environmentally friendly transportation, but that's a different topic. In this case, it's more about a variety of reasons for giving up meat, including but not limited to:
-A healthier lifestyle -More humane treatment of animals -Environmental health
Whereas the arguments against giving up meat seem to be (as far as I've seen in this thread):
-Liking the taste for meat -Natural diet
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