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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:07 am
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:01 pm
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Iconised Ghost Metalic_Noodles What sizes/breeds/gender are those dogs that don't seem to get it?
~Metalic_Noodles Black lab, female, small for her age and species. A classic scavenger xd
Labs tend to be good family pets because they don't think, they just do what they at least think they should. St. Bernards will darg you to kingdomcome if they so choose. They usually are too passive to bother though. xd But that article that was posted, reminded me a a good trick, espessially for the more lower-rank-in-a-pack dogs, just bite, or simulate it with your hands. So the dogs that don't get 'no' might get the more dog version of no.
~Metalic_Noodles
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:36 am
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Metalic_Noodles Iconised Ghost Metalic_Noodles What sizes/breeds/gender are those dogs that don't seem to get it?
~Metalic_Noodles Black lab, female, small for her age and species. A classic scavenger xd
Labs tend to be good family pets because they don't think, they just do what they at least think they should. St. Bernards will darg you to kingdomcome if they so choose. They usually are too passive to bother though. xd
~Metalic_Noodles Im sorry, but i think labs definately DO think. This lab is too smart for her own good. And she isnt a pet, she's a guide dog. And she wouldnt be a guide dog if she didnt think wink
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:26 pm
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Iconised Ghost Metalic_Noodles Iconised Ghost Metalic_Noodles What sizes/breeds/gender are those dogs that don't seem to get it?
~Metalic_Noodles Black lab, female, small for her age and species. A classic scavenger xd
Labs tend to be good family pets because they don't think, they just do what they at least think they should. St. Bernards will darg you to kingdomcome if they so choose. They usually are too passive to bother though. xd
~Metalic_Noodles Im sorry, but i think labs definately DO think. This lab is too smart for her own good. And she isnt a pet, she's a guide dog. And she wouldnt be a guide dog if she didnt think wink
She may eat her pop because then the person doesn't have to pick it up.
Also, if a guide dog thought, that would be bad. Most dogs that 'think' do what they want and don't see a point in many things we want. Labs make guide dogs because they don't think, they just learn what we want and do it. Would you want a guide dog that randomly descided it was time to eat, went to a hotdog stand and refused to move?
~Metalic_Noodles
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:04 pm
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Metalic_Noodles Iconised Ghost Metalic_Noodles Iconised Ghost Metalic_Noodles What sizes/breeds/gender are those dogs that don't seem to get it?
~Metalic_Noodles Black lab, female, small for her age and species. A classic scavenger xd
Labs tend to be good family pets because they don't think, they just do what they at least think they should. St. Bernards will darg you to kingdomcome if they so choose. They usually are too passive to bother though. xd
~Metalic_Noodles Im sorry, but i think labs definately DO think. This lab is too smart for her own good. And she isnt a pet, she's a guide dog. And she wouldnt be a guide dog if she didnt think wink
She may eat her pop because then the person doesn't have to pick it up.
Also, if a guide dog thought, that would be bad. Most dogs that 'think' do what they want and don't see a point in many things we want. Labs make guide dogs because they don't think, they just learn what we want and do it. Would you want a guide dog that randomly descided it was time to eat, went to a hotdog stand and refused to move?
~Metalic_Noodles
Because the person doesnt have to pick it up? I dont know what its like where you are, but here the law is that you HAVE to pick up after your dog. So I dont know what you are on about
A guide dog that didnt think would be bad. A guide dog has to be able to: -learn commands (sit, stay, heal, walk to heal, stop, lie down, come, other various commands) -follow commands (self evident) -make safety decisions (guide dogs have to know when it is safe to cross. For her dog the command when she gets to an uncontrolled crossing is "when its safe", meaning when there is no car coming, cross) -control their impulses (so that they are not going for every piece of food, chasing every child, running after every ball)
So guide dogs have to be VERY smart. They wouldnt invest so much money in a dumb dog. What you are talking about when you say "Would you want a guide dog that randomly descided it was time to eat, went to a hotdog stand and refused to move?" are untrained dogs, or those who act on their impulses or instincts. Guide dogs are trained SPECIFICALLY not to do that. Otherwise it would be unsafe (you cant have a guide dog dart into the road for a bit off food with a person attached to them)
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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:07 am
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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:41 pm
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Metalic_Noodles Iconised Ghost Metalic_Noodles What sizes/breeds/gender are those dogs that don't seem to get it?
~Metalic_Noodles Black lab, female, small for her age and species. A classic scavenger xd
Labs tend to be good family pets because they don't think, they just do what they at least think they should. St. Bernards will darg you to kingdomcome if they so choose. They usually are too passive to bother though. xd But that article that was posted, reminded me a a good trick, espessially for the more lower-rank-in-a-pack dogs, just bite, or simulate it with your hands. So the dogs that don't get 'no' might get the more dog version of no.
~Metalic_Noodles
That's what I said. Pinch and "tsst". The Caesar Millan method XD
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:02 am
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Iconised Ghost Metalic_Noodles Iconised Ghost Metalic_Noodles Iconised Ghost Metalic_Noodles What sizes/breeds/gender are those dogs that don't seem to get it?
~Metalic_Noodles Black lab, female, small for her age and species. A classic scavenger xd
Labs tend to be good family pets because they don't think, they just do what they at least think they should. St. Bernards will darg you to kingdomcome if they so choose. They usually are too passive to bother though. xd
~Metalic_Noodles Im sorry, but i think labs definately DO think. This lab is too smart for her own good. And she isnt a pet, she's a guide dog. And she wouldnt be a guide dog if she didnt think wink
She may eat her pop because then the person doesn't have to pick it up.
Also, if a guide dog thought, that would be bad. Most dogs that 'think' do what they want and don't see a point in many things we want. Labs make guide dogs because they don't think, they just learn what we want and do it. Would you want a guide dog that randomly descided it was time to eat, went to a hotdog stand and refused to move?
~Metalic_Noodles Because the person doesnt have to pick it up? I dont know what its like where you are, but here the law is that you HAVE to pick up after your dog. So I dont know what you are on about A guide dog that didnt think would be bad. A guide dog has to be able to: -learn commands (sit, stay, heal, walk to heal, stop, lie down, come, other various commands) -follow commands (self evident) -make safety decisions (guide dogs have to know when it is safe to cross. For her dog the command when she gets to an uncontrolled crossing is "when its safe", meaning when there is no car coming, cross) -control their impulses (so that they are not going for every piece of food, chasing every child, running after every ball) So guide dogs have to be VERY smart. They wouldnt invest so much money in a dumb dog. What you are talking about when you say "Would you want a guide dog that randomly descided it was time to eat, went to a hotdog stand and refused to move?" are untrained dogs, or those who act on their impulses or instincts. Guide dogs are trained SPECIFICALLY not to do that. Otherwise it would be unsafe (you cant have a guide dog dart into the road for a bit off food with a person attached to them)
I said: because then the person wouldn't have to pick it up
Meaning, the dog watched people pick up poop, and learned that if she had to poop, that it needed to be picked up.
The easiest dogs to train are dogs that don't think. Try convincing a St. Bernard to do something without a bribe. Now, a dumb or stuborn dog would be a pain in the a** to train. Just because it's smart, doesn't mean it thinks for itself. And the USA army has so many people because it's a high paying job for people who can't think, or do much but follow orders. (Please note that I'm not saying they are all dumb, but if you know how to think, it's harder to train yourself to not think.)
What I'm saying is they don't think, they do as they are told. They've been told and trained to not cross the street when there are cars coming, and that it needs to not chase after things.
Cars hut is common sence, dogs like mine lacking common sence stop in front of cars. My dog likely does it beause he knows there are people inside, and he doesn't get that cars hurt. But no one has taught him that a human child scream is something to be conserned about, or to investigate, but he still jumps at the sound like you and I jump at the ring of a telephone. But then, we are trained to jump at the sound of a telephone.
He also runs to gun shot, proving a difference in thinking and sence/intellegence. He thinks there are people where there is gun shot, but I've never shot a gun, and he's never been with someone who was hunting.
There is a difference between dumb and able to think for themselves. A difference from dumb and stubborn too.
~Metalic_Noodles
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Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:15 am
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:43 am
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