The Pirate Bay reaching new heights?

[TurtIe Tracks]

If you don't know what it is, The Pirate Bay is a torrent site. There is a political party called the Pirate Party in Sweden (where The Pirate Bay is hosted) that isn't affiliated with TPB but currently hosts it because of their beliefs.

http://www.piratpartiet.se/nyheter/we_will_host_the_pirate_bay_inside_the_swedish_parliament

Basically, if they get 4% of the vote in September, TPB will be run from inside Swedish Parliament and will be immune from future lawsuits. :O

Discuss:
This... announcement (duh)
The Pirate Bay
The Pirate Party
Swedish laws
Copyright law
Torrents  

[Jafthasleftthebuilding]

Torrents are delicious. :3

I honestly don't know too much around Pirate Bay. I've been there only a handful of times.  

[Kalstolyn]

TPB is my second preferred site to find general torrents, next to Demonoid. I use eztv.it for tv shows, usually. I like Demonoid because it doesn't host porn, and usually the torrents are clean. TPB also usually has clean torrents. Anyplace else, I worry a bit about picking up a computer STD like Sav has.  

[Saverio C.]

Oh right because pirates are something to look up too. Greed fools acting for their own wants under a guise of some nobility. Pathetic in all reality, it's too bad we are so used to getting what we want for free that we can't even go by rule of law. This isn't about free ******** speech or anything like that. It is a disgusting sense of entitlement that nerds have about what they ******** deserve. I hope the founder of the pirate bay get what's coming and rot in a cell.

Edit: Kals mine was a fake IE update jerk! I didn't even mean to click yes on the pop up D:  

[AlcoholicPancake]

Saverio C.

Oh right because pirates are something to look up too. Greed fools acting for their own wants under a guise of some nobility. Pathetic in all reality, it's too bad we are so used to getting what we want for free that we can't even go by rule of law. This isn't about free ******** speech or anything like that. It is a disgusting sense of entitlement that nerds have about what they ******** deserve. I hope the founder of the pirate bay get what's coming and rot in a cell.

Edit: Kals mine was a fake IE update jerk! I didn't even mean to click yes on the pop up D:

In all fairness, companies also charge too ******** much for their product.

Also, many people who torrent use that as a demo before choosing whether or not they're going to play a game. For music purposes, many will just download one song out of the torrents.

The movies, oh well, ******** THE MPAA, Actually, take that for the music but as well, ******** the RIAA in the a** until the bleed and die. Oh well though.

No one gives a s**t about the books anyway, so those can be downloaded erryday biggrin  

[Saverio C.]

I'm so glad you get to tell us what they should charge for their product.

Bullshit people don't test a product with the ******** torrent, stop with the bullshit and admit the greed. We are greedy and want our free stuff.

The MPAA and RIAA are dealing with the problems of our law breaking. They wouldn't be so dracoina if they didn't see entire nations that are full of piracy and want to push the US away from that.

These are all nice little lies we tell ourselves to make it ok not to buy things. Sure sometimes people do buy the game, but you can't really beleive that most or even "many" people do. This is the same as Modern Warfare 2's lack of dedicated servers. We are an entitled set of children who have access to too much stuff for free and don't want to pay for all the stuff we have.

What's a book?  

[AlcoholicPancake]

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I'm so glad you get to tell us what they should charge for their product.

I'm not saying that I should decide what they should charge, it's just bullshit that they should charge so much for the ******** games and products that are being made. I'm sure if they lowered the price a bit, more people would buy it

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Bullshit people don't test a product with the ******** torrent, stop with the bullshit and admit the greed. We are greedy and want our free stuff.

SOME people do. Many people will buy a game for it's online play, and when I say some, I mean a ******** class="quote">

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The MPAA and RIAA are dealing with the problems of our law breaking. They wouldn't be so dracoina if they didn't see entire nations that are full of piracy and want to push the US away from that.

[Saverio C.]

Their product and their price. People buy it so they have all the right in the world to charge it. The price of something doesn't make it right to steal. How can they compete with piracy. Free is the hardest price to beat. China and Brazil are lost in terms of marketability due to the piracy

Some is a lot less than many, and let's just go on the non-corporate games. World of Goo's absurdly high piracy rate disagrees with you. People are not just testing the game. Few people buy games they stole. If they wanted the game they probably bought it already. People aren't buying games but stealing them.

It is perfectly legal to rip your own CD, so the RIAA won't win that suit at all. They can sue and lose (unless the jury is stupid then the appeal will clear that up). This paranoia isn't justification for piracy.

Do you really want me to bring up projections of the piracy going on there. People bought the game becasue it was fun. Your confusing your personal experiences with what the norm is. Maybe you pirate things in a responsible sense, but you are still in the wrong and most people do not. Gamers are entitled dirty bags.  

[AlcoholicPancake]

Saverio C.

It is perfectly legal to rip your own CD, so the RIAA won't win that suit at all. They can sue and lose (unless the jury is stupid then the appeal will clear that up). This paranoia isn't justification for piracy.

Currently raiding, so not much time to type out a full response, but THIS ARTICLE disagrees with you.

Shame about world of goo though. I actually bought my copy during the Pay what you want deal they had. 10 dollars. I bought it again during the humble indie bundle as well. Another 10 dollars.  

[Saverio C.]

"But lawyers for consumers point to a series of court rulings over the last few decades that found no violation of copyright law in the use of VCRs and other devices to time-shift TV programs; that is, to make personal copies for the purpose of making portable a legally obtained recording."

Same thing with a CD. The act of copying the CD to the computer is legal, sharing that song is illegal. Copying the CD you own is under fair use property rights. Thus you can be sued but you should win the case, and if not the appeal unless the RIAA has proof that you shared the music.  

[Soreph]

I mostly torrent from TPB. But it seems that no matter how many times I go there, I will always click the big green button that says "Download"  

[Saverio C.]

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I mostly torrent from TPB. But it seems that no matter how many times I go there, I will always click the big green button that says "Download"

It's just so inciting man and conveniently placed.  

[Kalstolyn]

Okay, here they come; the two-word lead in that you all hate.

IN CANADA...

That's right. In Canada, we pay a freaking blank media levy of $0.24 per unit for Audio Cassette tape (40min or longer), and $0.29 per unit for CD-R, CD-RW, CD-R Audio, CD-RW Audio and MiniDisc. They're pushing for a $8 to $75 levy on mp3 devices such as iPods, and to SD/miniSD/microSD memory cards. Because I totally use my digital camera to copy music.

Basically, the surcharge assumes that you are going to put music on every single cd-r you buy, and the entire levy is distributed to copyright holders and record labels. We are totally allowed to copy all the music we want here as long as we don't resell/redistribute it. Technically speaking, hosting torrentz: illegal. Downloading torrentz: not illegal. Borrowing your pal's BonJovi collection, ripping it, and burning your own set of cds: not illegal. If you buy a spool of 100 blank cds, the store can list the price as $9 and then you get to the till and discover you have to pay $40 for it because of the ******** audio recording levy, when all you wanted was some Ubuntu installation disks, a couple of photo slideshow cds for your grandma, and some archival copies of the choir concert you recently performed in to give to the other choir members for their own personal enjoyment.

There is nothing to cover data or video recording media. It only recently became legal to own and use a PVR device in Canada. That's right, Canadialand is only just now discovering the joys of TiVo. Before this, we had to either rely on torrentz or do things the old-fashioned way (with a VCR) if we wanted to "time-shift" a tv show. Both of those methods are wildly illegal, by the way. We're allowed to tape-record a song on the radio now that the audio recording levy exists though. All my Meatloaf and Bryan Adams "downloads" (read: cassette recordings of the local radio station) in the late 80s/early 90s were also wildly illegal.

In summary, now that I have ranted and meandered all over the place, if someone wants to charge me for downloading the TV show that is available for FREE if I lived two blocks over (and out of the airwave deadzone I experience in my current location) and/or for downloading a game so I can see if the full "online" version is worth buying, go for it. I'll direct them to the stupid levy that I had to pay in order to burn my legitimately acquired ISO files of my operating system.

PS: TPB was how NIN distributed their free album, and many reputable recording artists release a couple of tracks off an upcoming album release via torrent, knowing that the more people hear their music and like it, the more people will buy concert tickets, merchandise, and yes, full albums.

PPS: inciting =/= inviting.