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I like American and Japanese anime |
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Im just on gaia for kicks |
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:13 am
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American and Japanese cartoons have always had that difference. Look at Bugs Bunny, all of his adventures were purely episodic, and never ever effected any of his other episodes. Even running American cartoons with a basic storyline are segmented so that they can show them in any order without consequence. The Japanese adopted animation as a conduit for storytelling instead, favoring drama over comedy; so when you watch one episode of an anime, you have to see the ones that came before in order to get the full blast of what happened. While American animation studios have adopted a Japanese style of drawing, they still tend to stick to their single-episode continuities, because networks tend not to buy cartoons that they have to make sense out of.
This all makes sense, because in the end, cartoons are aired solely to children here in the States, and so they lack any kind of dramatic storytelling elements in order to keep the child's attention. On the other hand, it's considered childish to watch cartoons, so adults tend not to do it. That's why you tend not to see dramatic anime aired on US network television, adults won't watch it, and children will be bored by it leaving the network to rely on the sliver of American-otaku, who just aren't big enough a group.
However, all of these things are starting to blend together. American style animation will be a thing that will look old, choppy and unappealing to the masses soon, because all the animation schools are spitting out people who are only entering them as people who want to go to Japan someday and work as animators.
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:01 am
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:29 am
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:51 am
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:59 am
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Oh... so many things you just said bother me, Sanzo...
First of all, there is such thing as American-anime. Most new cartoons are borrowing so much of the anime style, that to someone only just looking into the culture it would be impossible to tell which of Teen-Titans and Naruto actually came from Japan.
Speaking of which, Naruto is a good example of a anime that has taken more and more cues from western television in my opinion. I remember a time when anime actually ended, and had it's own distinct style. However, and probably BECAUSE I can remember that time, I notice all the push and pull between American and Japanese television and how they're ripping into one another until soon it'll all just be the same sea of ugly big-headed characters refusing to have sex with each other on-screen when in our minds that's all they do.
Yeah, that was a rant. Also, please try not to use the word "required;" the day that I'm required to watch more then one episode of Naruto, or Bleach is the day I find a sandbox to bury my head in and pretend I'm Gaara.
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:00 am
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:12 am
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:16 am
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:18 am
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:10 am
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I'd just like to say something I think I have once loooong ago about the term of "anime" and what it pertains to.... A friend of mine used to have a Japanese penpal, and once the penpal wrote to her that she loved American "anime" and that her favorite "anime" was Rugrats. This gave the impression to me, that at least in general conversation and in Japan, "anime" refers to anything animated. The word comes from "animation" after all. So really...can it be such a sin to call American cartoons anime? I know it definitly causes for confusion, but if people do ultimately know the show's origins...is it so wrong?
And if anime is defined by how advanced the storyline is, what about shows like Hamtaro? Japan has kid shows, too...what are we supposed to call them?
And as for animation style, while anime can have amazing animation and complex character designs, anime is still kind of known for cutting animation corners and only having to animate a mouth and repeating animation sequences over and over so they don't have to redraw it all, etc. I don't watch a lot of cartoons on TV anymore, but the American ones I watched growing up where still impressive in the way of actual animation, even if the style was simple. And not all American cartoons are for kids. I mean, South Park, The Simpsons, Family Guy, everything on Adult Swim, hellooooo.... And Bugs Bunny, etc were cartoons featured before movies way back when, when only adults ever went to movies. Looney Tunes, Merry Melodies, Silly Symphonies and all them were geared for an adult audience. It was only in the 70's that they started airing those cartoons on TV for children.
And hey Jimbo! I went to animation school without ever having any desire at all to do anime... gonk My teachers constantly encouraged students to NOT draw anime, even.
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:30 am
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Ha! I was actually thinking about you when I wrote that Waku. More specifically I was thinking about how you would react, and you're about on que. I'm sorry if that was insulting, but I'm of the firm belief that you got there after the bubble of people I was referring to, the people who are saturating our selection of animation with that style. It's that bubble that caused your teachers to frown upon the whole thing.
Also, I only mentioned in my post that Japan adopted animation as a way to express a storyline. But I realized that Astro Boy and Gigantor were out and around before more complex stories like Metropolis and Galaxy Express. But if you look, I think you'll notice that even Hamtaro has more cannon and continuity then Ed, Edd 'n' Eddy.
However, I don't like to get elitist about all this. Cartoons are cartoons, if they're here or there, or even pornographic. I'm more likely to get huffy about people getting huffy then I am to get huffy over this or that, and who's the biggest fan.
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:16 am
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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:34 pm
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