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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:28 am
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when does a parent's right to raise their child as they see fit become null and void?
everyone has ideas of how a child "should" be raised. and most everyone would agree that, so long as a parent isn't abusing their child, they ought to be allowed to raise them as they see fit.
BUT, when is it too far? when is the acceptance of that parent's right too much?
i give you a documentary on the "pop" group, prussian blue.
if you haven't heard of them, thank your lucky stars. these girls will make you want to weep for humanity.
they are the pop idols of the white supremacist movement. actively encouraged by their mother who, for some unknown reason, has sole custody of them and is the "manager" of their band.
the documentary above is around 50 minutes long, but i HIGHLY recommend it.
so, topics:
- when does parental grooming of a child cross over into abuse?
- if its NOT clearly abuse, do we, as members of society, have a right or duty to interfere?
- do you think ((as i hope)) that these girls are starting to realize their mother is batshit crazy?
- how ******** up is it to brand your cows with swastikas??? wtf?
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:58 am
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:22 am
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:52 pm
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This makes me think of Michel Jackson and the kid from Home Alone. Both pushed into stardom by their parents. I think using your child to gain money, basically slavery, yeah that's crossing into abuse. Especially if the child doesn't want that kind of life. They're being exploited. Brooke Shields, she was I think 12 years old when she started in a movie as a prostitute I think, well they made her do a nude scene and it cause a bit of a controversy. When she was interviewed all she said is that it was done in good taste, because no privates were shown. I'm not sure about this because I haven't seen the film.
It kinda scares me how parents abuse the trust of their children. The kids just go along with it because, well she's my mom and she knows what's best. But they're children and you can't expect them to understand (most of the time) that not all parents are "good" or responsible or loving. It's usually with age that they realize, well I'm not being taken care of, I'm being abused, I need to get away. Like the boy from Home Alone did. Another bad case is Gary Coleman, his parents made him work even when he was sick. Then they took most of his money and he ended up with almost nothing. Drew B. thankfully broke out of her bad childhood habits, her mother just plain didn't care and would let her go to parties and drink and use drugs. Gah so many, many things that can happen to a child in that kind of situation.
If a parent wants to encourage and help their child become something like this then they need to be there to set limits, because most child star parents end up becoming the friend. They forget that even though their child works, he/she is still a child, still naive about a lot of things and they still can't decide many things on their own.
Also I feel for child stars who have their parents as their managers. When those parents are not looking out for their child's best interest, but their own.
Those girls, hope they wise up soon. D:
Edit: Also I do think that their needs to be interference, child abuse needs to be dealt with. There are laws in some USA states that are now protecting child actors, sadly I'm not sure if its helping.
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:13 pm
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:07 am
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:39 am
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 8:41 am
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:53 am
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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:12 am
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I can't believe I actually watched the entire documentary O_O;; I just got sucked into it XD
My thoughts on it... People are going to raise children how they want them to be raised. Unfortunately, some parents are disturbed and aren't fit to raise children up to society's standards. If you think about it, though, we're ALL "brainwashed" by our parents. Parents are our mentors--those who teach us what is good and bad. We usually don't realize the truth of what's happening in the real world or think for ourselves until we get out of Elementary school at least. That's why teenagers are so rebellious xp Look at those twins in the video! They clearly don't personally believe what their mother is trying to implant in their minds is the right path to take. They even admitted they're sick of the political/white power theme their lives have led on.
This is what I think their problem is:
People ARE allowed to believe what they want. They have a "white power" stance with their family (at least the mother, mostly). But I think they should keep their "proudness" to themselves, and not publicize it. Their problem is that they're trying to get other people to believe in their way of life. Just like Church organizations... >_> I hate those when they come through my line at walmart *puts fliers in the trash after they leave*. DON'T IMPOSE YOUR RELIGION ONTO OTHERS D< lol. I can make the choice myself :O (I apologize if that sounds harsh to others lol ) Just KEEP YOUR BELIEFS TO YOURSELF and you'll be FINE.
Just like couples that come through my line at walmart: WHY DO YOU HAVE TO ******** MAKE OUT AT THE REGISTER, WHEN YOU HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO DO IT AT HOME D< Again, people should not publicize their "proudness". WALMART IS A G-RATED PLACE, NOT PG!! (Unless people go streaking through the store, which has happened at mine).
But the poor kids D: Their mother is trying to pre-determine their life goals, which is wrong. The kids are a little bit too young to even think about career goals. But, i'm not too worried, because it sounds like the girls will end up just fine, as they pretty much had it cemented in their minds that they won't be "doing that" forever... or much longer.
...lol, the poor mother.
...the poor FAMILY. D: It's just... dysfunctional.
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 12:41 pm
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:04 pm
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:17 pm
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Metalic_Noodles Knitterz even more interesting when you put into play that I personally do not believe in races. o.o cultures yes but not races defined by skin pigment. specially when you consider that the pigment of your skin was simply an adaptation your body took on to survive in its environment. When people lived in Africa their skin was dark to deflect the suns rays to keep the body cool. When they moved out across Europe they no longer needed that adaptation and their skin became lighter to absorb the suns light to keep the body warm. Or at least thats what I heard from the discovery channel.. XD
That doesn't make sense. confused I thought black things appear black because they absorb all light. White reflects all light and thus is white. They can't make a white LED light because they need red, blue and green, and one(I think the green) uses massive amounts of power unlike the other two with are economical, which is why there aren't white ones yet, because all three would need to be one. That's why white generally isn't worn in the winter, and black car are horrible in the summer. right?
Oh, and your actors and actresses, and similar professions can be what the child wants, and can be the only way the kid will even get a decent elementary education, let alone college. (tutors versus the poor public schools.)
~Metalic_Noodles
Because I am lazy, an excerpt from Wiki.
"The evolution of the different skin tones is thought to have occurred as follows:[who?] the haired primate ancestors of humans, like modern great apes, had light skin under their hair. When Hominids evolved relative hairlessness (the most likely function of which was to facilitate perspiration), they evolved dark skin, which was needed to prevent low folate levels since they lived in sun-rich Africa. (The skin cancer connection is probably of secondary importance, since skin cancer usually kills only after the reproductive age and therefore does not exert much evolutionary selection pressure.) When humans migrated to less sun-intensive regions in the north, low vitamin D3 levels became a problem and light skin color re-emerged. Sexual selection and diet may have played a part in the evolution of skin tone diversity, as well[4]."
EDIT: To add my own opinion on the topic at hand, it doesn't seem like there is much one can say as far as how this woman is raising her children. However, someone might be able to step in about her managerial duties. This does seem like exploitation, I don't think these girls want to take this path with their careers (putting personal lives aside completely here), and that's fairly obvious from this documentary alone. I had never heard of this band before, bcg, thanks for keeping me informed. :]
It was especially strange for me to watch this because I seldom come into contact with my name outside of people addressing me or talking about the month. I've only met another April once IRL, and I almost never hear about people named April except on a few occasions; it's just not a common name around here so every time I hear it referring to another person it really messes me up. XD Especially when it's "April is a prominent figure in the white nationalist movement." I heard that and thought..."I am?! gonk "
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Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:32 pm
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