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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:33 am
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:34 am
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:35 am
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:41 am
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lazycommie My question. Why should the minority be treated any different than the majority?
They shouldn't. However, because of the nature of being the minority (not the majority of the population) should their rights be decided by the majority without the minority's opinion?
lazycommie My commentary. Why is it people who argue for "the rights of the minority" only ever seem to give a damn about "acceptable minorities"? Why aren't the same folks arguing for gay marriage also arguing for the rights of gun owners and the folks who use soft drugs? Minorities bitching about things don't seem to accomplish much.
Same situation as above. The "problem" I see with a purely majoritarian vote is it totally squashes any right of say of any group that is not in the majority. It makes things simpler. However, is it right?
lazycommie My commentary 2. The government should not have any say in marriage. That means no "marriage license" to anyone, with marriage not being recorded by or noted by government at all.
Agreed.
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:47 am
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:47 am
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:50 am
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:54 am
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:55 am
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:57 am
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lazycommie XxStephasaurusxXxRexxX That is the spectacular failure of the Electoral College. Instead of accurately representing all voters by casting votes in ratio to the total in both columns across the country, they only represent the majority in each state. If they implemented the former representation, the minority would actually have a fighting chance in any issue (I believe.) Pretty much. The problem stems from the fact that we've let government get away with growing much larger than it was intended to be and given it way too much power. They want more, so they use such loads of BS like the electoral college to put someone in power who will cater to that. Well, they're definitely too far-reaching... You would think with all the debt, environmental and population issues, and the various other ******** going on, that the federal government would have too much to worry about to stop and remind the minorities that they are, in fact, minorities (and are therefore, by American standards, secondary citizens.)
Like many of our current programs, I think the Electoral College was a great idea when it was thought up. unfortunately, the world has changed and America has more people with mor diverse backgrounds... the old way of thinking is obsolete - nigh irrelevant to today's society. I think the federal government needs to be gutted and revamped in a serious way.
Re: Prop 8: I once heard a quote on West Wing (that I agree with) where one of Bartlett's cabinet commented to a Republican, "Congratulations on once again managing to make the federal government small enough to fit into the people's bedrooms." I have to say, I agree here.
@ Sentama: I brought that up due to its relevancy in the representation of America's citiznes overall. I figured it was along similar lines to the questions posed regarding the minority's treatment as lesser rather than smaller by the majority. If you consider it off-topic, I'll take it down and apologize. biggrin
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:03 am
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XxStephasaurusxXxRexxX lazycommie XxStephasaurusxXxRexxX That is the spectacular failure of the Electoral College. Instead of accurately representing all voters by casting votes in ratio to the total in both columns across the country, they only represent the majority in each state. If they implemented the former representation, the minority would actually have a fighting chance in any issue (I believe.) Pretty much. The problem stems from the fact that we've let government get away with growing much larger than it was intended to be and given it way too much power. They want more, so they use such loads of BS like the electoral college to put someone in power who will cater to that. Well, they're definitely too far-reaching... You would think with all the debt, environmental and population issues, and the various other ******** going on, that the federal government would have too much to worry about to stop and remind the minorities that they are, in fact, minorities (and are therefore, by American standards, secondary citizens.) Like many of our current programs, I think the Electoral College was a great idea when it was thought up. unfortunately, the world has changed and America has more people with mor diverse backgrounds... the old way of thinking is obsolete - nigh irrelevant to today's society. I think the federal government needs to be gutted and revamped in a serious way. Re: Prop 8: I once heard a quote on West Wing (that I agree with) where one of Bartlett's cabinet commented to a Republican, "Congratulations on once again managing to make the federal government small enough to fit into the people's bedrooms." I have to say, I agree here. @ Sentama: I brought that up due to its relevancy in the representation of America's citiznes overall. I figured it was along similar lines to the questions posed regarding the minority's treatment as lesser rather than smaller by the majority. If you consider it off-topic, I'll take it down and apologize. biggrin
The fact of the matter is that government does not, and never does, care at all about the people or issues regarding the people. They only care about power. That's the problem, people always assume government is good, when it's not. It's simply a necessary evil.
What you're actually talking about is the real "old way", not the new stuff pushed by various worthless people ever since FDR. What we need is to gut the government at all levels and take it down to the bare minimum and nothing more, and then make sure it stays there.
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:07 am
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