It's interesting to note...

[lazycommie]

How the media is trying so very hard to cover over just how horrible a job Obama is doing. You see crap about Michael Jackson, Prop 8 and all sorts of other "hasn't been news in a while", but nothing about how the Dow is dropping by a 3-4% on a daily basis, something that a single drop of which was considered "end of the world" by economists a couple years ago. Obama's support is also dropping drastically, and is down to 59% approval rating and falling. You also see nothing about how he's well over tripled our national debt in ONE MONTH, plus greater expenditures on the way.


I'm totally digging on saying what I'm about to say...

I told you so.  

[Sentama Lin]

1. It's only been, what, two-three months since his term?
   
2. He mentioned that the path of recovery will be long and hard (meaning, not short term), thus acknowledging he's not a miracle worker.
   
3. The economic issue is an entire global issue -- not just a problem of the United States, and certainly not just the fault of Obama.
   

/thread  

[The Dinosaur Next Door]

He's been in office two months; can we give the guy a year to get his duckies in a row? Why is everyone so quick to jump in his s**t? We knew during his campaign that he was going to have a hard time pulling the country out of the pit Bush drilled us into.
Nothing personal, I just wish people would let him actually unlock the door before they bumrush him to get into the White House.  

[lazycommie]

Sentama Lin

1. It's only been, what, two-three months since his term?
   
2. He mentioned that the path of recovery will be long and hard (meaning, not short term), thus acknowledging he's not a miracle worker.
   
3. The economic issue is an entire global issue -- not just a problem of the United States, and certainly not just the fault of Obama.
   

/thread

1. Yet he's tripled our national debt. You cannot dig yourself eeper into debt to pull yourself out.

2. "he's mentioned", doesn't matter when he's made things much, much worse, when before his election things were actually slowly improving. The man is full of s**t.

3. Yes, it si a global issue, however it is one that is tied closely to America. When we have problems, the rest of the world does in turn. When someone makes our problems much worse, the rest of the world sees worse.  

[lazycommie]

XxStephasaurusxXxRexxX

He's been in office two months; can we give the guy a year to get his duckies in a row? Why is everyone so quick to jump in his s**t? We knew during his campaign that he was going to have a hard time pulling the country out of the pit Bush drilled us into.
Nothing personal, I just wish people would let him actually unlock the door before they bumrush him to get into the White House.

He's been in two months and he's made things so much worse it's a miracle we're even doing how we are and not complete disaster!

"The pit Bush drilled us into", yet, if you look at figures for things, you'd see that pre Election we were actually slowly improving, very slowly but still noticeable. The massive drop we're experiencing now is entirely due to the spendulous and similar bogus policies.  

[The Dinosaur Next Door]

lazycommie

XxStephasaurusxXxRexxX

He's been in office two months; can we give the guy a year to get his duckies in a row? Why is everyone so quick to jump in his s**t? We knew during his campaign that he was going to have a hard time pulling the country out of the pit Bush drilled us into.
Nothing personal, I just wish people would let him actually unlock the door before they bumrush him to get into the White House.

He's been in two months and he's made things so much worse it's a miracle we're even doing how we are and not complete disaster!

"The pit Bush drilled us into", yet, if you look at figures for things, you'd see that pre Election we were actually slowly improving, very slowly but still noticeable. The massive drop we're experiencing now is entirely due to the spendulous and similar bogus policies.

"The night gets darkest just before dawn." As can be proved by the sudden turn-around Bush did just after entering Afghanistan, we have no idea what he(Obama) as the President is capable of doing.  

[Sentama Lin]

Despite the changes to the economy -- I will also add that all developed countries are having very similar economic woes at the moment -- I still say watching his two-three month behaviour is way too fast to make a conclusion that he is doing a bad job.

USA is not the only superpower out there, nor is it the best. I feel once one superpower starts improving the rest will slowly catch up. It doesn't have to be the USA to string everything back up together.

/thread again  

[lazycommie]

Sentama Lin

Despite the changes to the economy -- I will also add that all developed countries are having very similar economic woes at the moment -- I still say watching his two-three month behaviour is way too fast to make a conclusion that he is doing a bad job.

USA is not the only superpower out there, nor is it the best. I feel once one superpower starts improving the rest will slowly catch up. It doesn't have to be the USA to string everything back up together.

/thread again

The other countries are experiencing problems BECAUSE we are. The other "superpowers"(which aren't really even close), still require our business or else they founder horribly. This is a global economy, as much as I despise it being so for this very reason. When you see a country that does a lot of buying/selling go under, everyone else will also go under as a result.

The other "superpowers" are sellers. The US is a big buyer, the biggest in the world. Without the big buyers, the big sellers can't sell enough to keep afloat. China's crumbling now for that very reason.



@ Satama:

Actually, we can tell very easily what he'll do. Pay attention to what he's pushed before becoming president. Pay attention to his origins. He's a corrupt Chicago politician, and like all politicians only gives a damn about power. Also, he's pretty near socialistic in his policies, based on what he's advocated, up to and including openly advocating wealth redistribution in a 2001 radio interview(I have the link if you want it). Frankly, the man can do no good.  

[Sentama Lin]

I know what he plans to do, I'm aware of what the majority of politicians are, and I know what socialism is. However, I will still give him time and still let him do his job in full before judging him. It's too early for me to make a judgement.

Also, I actually don't mind socialism when it doesn't reach overambitious textbook communism or corrupt Russian communism (by the by, considering how the constitution works, this would never fly in the United States even if the executive branch had socialistic/communistic views).  

[lazycommie]

Sentama Lin

I know what he plans to do, I'm aware of what the majority of politicians are, and I know what socialism is. However, I will still give him time and still let him do his job in full before judging him. It's too early for me to make a judgement.

Also, I actually don't mind socialism when it doesn't reach overambitious textbook communism or corrupt Russian communism (by the by, considering how the constitution works, this would never fly in the United States even if the executive branch had socialistic/communistic views).

He reminds me an awful lot of a Russian socialist(they never were communists, technically), actually. His attitude fits well.

The last time any branch but the Judicial one cared about the Constitution was when it was written, and the Judicial branch cares about it only rarely as well. Not to mention that, should he declare Martial Law(my forecast for that puts it around 2010), he can bypass the Constitution.


I'm going to keep saying it, every time things go south with him(which seems to be further and further daily, by around 3-4% or more), "I told you so".  

[Sentama Lin]

And... what reason would he require military control of the whole state? And how would we get that? For him to enforce domestic control of federal law enforcement (in the case of martial law) he'd need to pass it through legislature, then the judicial would need to approve that it is truly necessary. Please forgive my disrespect, but that's really extreme and I really, really doubt that ridiculous outcome. (And before saying anything about Katrina, that was a state of emergency -- not martial law).  

[lazycommie]

Sentama Lin

And... what reason would he require military control of the whole state? And how would we get that? For him to enforce domestic control of federal law enforcement (in the case of martial law) he'd need to pass it through legislature, then the judicial would need to approve that it is truly necessary. Please forgive my disrespect, but that's really extreme and I really, really doubt that ridiculous outcome. (And before saying anything about Katrina, that was a state of emergency -- not martial law).

Major economic crash resulting in rioting on a large scale(see Europe for examples of rioting and such lately) would be sufficient for him to declare Martial law. Remember, he has Congress packed with his buddies, due to the idiocy of voters the past election, and can get anythign there passed that he wants. Judicial branch would be harder to get past, but even they'd pass it if things got bad enough. Remember, we're dealing with someone who's closest example for his actions would be Chavez, he's a power hungry, inept would-be tyrant, you can not expect anything but the absolute worst from his kind. I only hope he's too inept to get away with it.

A state of emergency would also be something he may or may not push for, as he could get away with that much easier.  

[Sentama Lin]

To enforce martial law, we'd need to be attacked, be invaded, or a domestic nationwide devastating riot would need to happen. Enforcing state of emergency would require some form of (natural) disaster with huge national damages. As devastating as economical damage is, I severely doubt anyone can create a reason as to why enforcing either of these orders would better the economy.  

[Sanzoskitsune]

lazycommie

Major economic crash resulting in rioting on a large scale(see Europe for examples of rioting and such lately) would be sufficient for him to declare Martial law. Remember, he has Congress packed with his buddies, due to the idiocy of voters the past election, and can get anythign there passed that he wants. Judicial branch would be harder to get past, but even they'd pass it if things got bad enough. Remember, we're dealing with someone who's closest example for his actions would be Chavez, he's a power hungry, inept would-be tyrant, you can not expect anything but the absolute worst from his kind. I only hope he's too inept to get away with it.

A state of emergency would also be something he may or may not push for, as he could get away with that much easier.

Are you kidding me? Even if Obama wasn't a good president he was a much better choice than McCain and not because of McCain himself (I'm sure he would've done a decent job even if I didn't like him) but he had Palin and that woman in office scares the ever living s**t out of me. Not only that he is not power hungry or a would-be tyrant. Fine you don't like him that's understandable, you don't have to like your president. Voters weren't idiotic for voting him in, he was the best choice he had. You have real complaints, I will give you that. I'm not convinced he isn't doing what he's doing for a reason and for the best possible outcome in the future. He's doing what he thinks will help stimulate the economy which is what we need to STIMULATE the economy. Seriously if you're going to complain and say all these bad things about Obama at least let them be TRUE and not stuff you pulled out of your head and imagined he's going to do.  

[Shram]

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I don't like your Complete US ideals...
yes the USA influences the economic market massively but its not the one responsible for causing or saving the economy.
China and Russia can take its place.
Scandinavia is capable of fending for itself alongside helping Iceland (Finland included in the Scandinavian Ideal in this case).

I figure the US is scrambling to gather itself so as to be the strongest again as the US in itself Hates being second place and that's been proven over the years.

as for Obama I figure he might be able to do the economic fixes needed but I am unsure on his Military ideals over in the middle east.
His choice of waiting till January to pull out the last of the troops as well as adding that if there is any kind of increase in violence down there he will not pull them out and will in fact increase the amount of defensive troops.

I could be wrong but that's what I've been gathering from the radio lately.

Edit: Martial Law requires as Don said,
Invasion of said country (US), Prison break on a large scale, Civilians going to war (Civil war status), and some other very hard to achieve situations.

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