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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:23 pm
This topic reviews the secret ending and some Info about KH3. If you havent seen the secret ending, there may be some slight spoilers...
Article found on kingdomhearts.rpgplanet.gamespy.com:
Though not officially confirmed by Square or Disney, creator Tetsuya Nomura has openly admitted to having a plot for Kingdom Hearts III in the works and is planning to create it. Though, he has stated that he is working on another title first. Much like Kingdom Hearts II, Kingdom Hearts III's first look can be found in the secret trailer at the end of Kingdom Hearts II. The first look at the game shows some new, unknown characters and a whole lot of keyblades. A message in a bottle with Mickey's emblem.
This form of teaser trailer was used in "Another Side, Another Story" and "Deep Dive". Two trailers secretly found in Kingdom Hearts and Kingdom Hearts: Final Mix which hinted at Kingdom Hearts II and eventually, we learned that it was a teaser to the backstory of Kingdom Hearts II. I feel the same tactic is being used here, why else would Square put this random trailer at the end of the game?
This secret trailer can be found by completing certain tasks within the game. On the hardest difficulty, you just need to beat it. That's reward enough, apparently.
What Happens in the Trailer ::.
First, lets start off with what we have gathered before the plot summary:
Setting: Believed to be before KH1, unconfirmed. In a deserty plain, hundreds of keyblades forming a crossroads. A great slain beast is seen that dissolves into dust. Mood: Dark and dreary. The dark sky and dramatic music paint and picture of sorrow and unease. Characters: Three keyblade weilding armoured figures; one shadowy figure. Armoured characters are new to series, some believe Xehanort is the dark one.
The secret trailer reveals to us a list of all of the Ansem Reports. I can't read Japanese, but it points out a few Reports in bolded, up front text that doesn't scroll by. It says Ansem Report 8 & 9 at the bottom. Ansem Report 8 talks about Xehanorts machind that creates Heartless, while 9 has a line that may hold great significance to the trailer. The line reads "The Keyblade is said to hold phenomenal power. One legend says its wielder saved the world, while another says that he wrought chaos and ruin upon it." Knowing that Kingdom Hearts explores more than one world, more than one side of the heart it is safe to say that maybe KH3 will deal with how the keyblade brings destruction, because it doesn't seem like the happiest trailer ever.
UPDATE (April 20/06): The English trailer has been released. The text that reads at the beginning along with the Ansem Reports reads:
"The Keyblade is said to hold phenominal power. One legend says it's weilder saved the world while another says that he wrought chaos upon it. I must know what this keyblade is. A key opens doors..."
It seems my previous assumptions were correct, it is referring to those Ansem Reports with a little added on I didn't expect.
Three soldiers. The trailer brings us to a deserty plain with dark clouds over head. Three heavily armored soldiers are standing by a great beast that has been slain, which quickly erupts into dust and then nothing. Previous thoughts of it being a structure are false as it has feet, seen for mere seconds. The first soldier we see has chrome armor with a helmet that has rabbit-like earpieces. He wears a cape and holds a giant keyblade over his shoulder which is of an unfamiliar design.
To his right, another armoured figure walks towards him, also dawning a cape. This character has ear-pieces that shoot backwards, rather than up. The tinted eyepiece is the same as the first soldier, the eyes are unseen. This second charater has larger forearm armour and is relatively thinner. He is not carrying a weapon.
To the first soldiers left is a third character. Much like the first soldier in appearance but there is something about this third soldier that looks feminine. The walk or the figure makes this last character have a female touch. This character is carrying a keyblade as well.
Mickey or Kairi's Keyblade, Kingdom Key, Road To Dawn. The structure behind turns to dust. As the three are close together, the first soldier moves towards three keyblades sticking out of the sand. The first keyblade in the line has been argued to be either Kairi's Keyblade used late in Kingdom Hearts II or Mickey's Keyblade, then there is The Kingdom Key, followed by Riku's Road To Dawn Keyblade. The fact that these three Keyblades are selected above all others predict great importance of the three heroes once again. Much thanks to the many people who have e-mailed me with corrections referring to the keyblades. When the soldier moves closer to them, the ruin he was standing on vanishes into dust. The soldiers pick up the keyblades, the two with the pointed "ears" weild two blades each, the one with "ears" pointing back picks up the Kingdom Key and is holding another Keyblade.
There is a quick pan outwards and it is revealed that there are hundreds upon hundreds of keyblades sticking out of the ground. It strongly resembles a graveyard. There are for pathes carved out, which have a striking resemblence to the crossroads from Chain of Memories. The crossroads proved as paths between light, dark, twilight (as DiZ said) and dawn (as Riku said). Each character in the trailer comes from a different path, indicating a different state of heart. It is clear the crossroads will play an important part in KH3. Comparison of the crossroads visible in CoM and the secret trailer.
Suddenly, there is a distant rumble, almost like an explosion. The three look into the distance and through the haze of the heat, an outline can be seen of a figure. Then the following captions show up on screen:
"It all begins with birth by sleep." "Master of Keyblade"
Speculation suggests this refers to the characters holding the Keyblades. Maybe they are fighting to find the true master?
"The Lost Two"
A popular belief is that this is commenting on two soldier characters who followed the path of darkness, using the Keyblade.
"Memory of Xehanort"
Possibly the biggest hint in the trailer. This almost reveals that the next game will deal largely with Xehanort's lost memories from before he met Ansem.
"Chasers"
The name we are giving the soldiers right now. It is very vague.
"Keyblade War"
May be a war that has passed or is coming. We believe it is the reason Xehanort loses his memory and it may in fact be the war to discover who the real Keyblade Master is.
The final text says, "It all begins...with birth by sleep."
This is very unknown, some believe it is another kind of Nobody or a story created while Sora was asleep for one year.
What Happens Next?? ::.
So, Kingdom Hearts II leaves us with Sora and friends home safe on Destiny Islands. All the evils are set straight, everyone is living in peace and harmony. Sora's adventure is over. With the fact that the ordeal is over, there is a chance that a new main character will come into play in Kingdom Hearts III. Also, considering the massive amounts of Keyblades found, it's entirely possible anyone could weild one.
Then again, after the credits are done rolling in KH2, Kairi runs out onto the beach with a letter in a bottle. It bares King Mickey's emblem on it. The three read the parchment with worried expressions, the camera never exposes the paper to show us what is on it. This is indication enough that Sora is being called off on another mission (starting to sound like James Bond).
WHAT WE KNOW The characters are original and have not been seen in previous games. They are NOT Sora, Riku, Kairi. There are a lot of keyblades, a war is coming or has passed. The Crossroads are important. Has something to do with the Keyblade bringing chaos.
WHAT WE DON'T KNOW The identity of the armoured figures. Who the distant outlined figure is. The place in the Kingdom Hearts timeline this trailer takes place in. What the text means by "birth by sleep".
Speculation from May 8, 2006
This was e-mailed to me by "Nos Lived" and friends. It's first suggestion is that the text "Memory of Xehanort" is not IN memory of him, but referring to his actual memory. Those who followed Ansem's backstory would know that he found Xehanort and brought him in, he didn't remember any of his past. This trailer, and game, could be explaining his lost memories and in fact be taking place before Kingdom Hearts 1.
This theory suggests there were several Keyblade Masters, I'm going to edit their assumptions to fit my own. The original theory is that there are five keyblade masters, I'm going to say there are four. Two went off into the darkness, bringing chaos and destruction to any world they touched. The other two were of Light and Twilight, of goodness and honor. When one of the dark masters realizes the evil in the darkness, they return through the path of Dawn, this is the same path Riku took when escaping the darkness. The three good masters meet in the crossroads and in the distance, they see a dark figure appear: the Dark Keyblade Master.
Xehanort may have been one of the Keyblade Masters, and this Keyblade War causes him to lose something dear: his memory. Escaping battle, he comes to the Radiant Garden war-torn and confused, Ansem takes him in and offers any assistance possible.
This is the strongest theory we have so far! Keep it up guys and thanks to Nos Lived and his friends for the insight!
Speculation from April 20, 2006
After seeing the english trailer, it becomes more clear of what may be going on. The Ansem Reports reveal a theory of the keyblade bringing chaos upon the world. And indeed in this scene the world ain't looking too good. In reference to birth by sleep it's a good guess that we're delving deeper into the "memories" that have been dealt with in all the games. A world created when Sora fell asleep perhaps? A theme that would be likely for Kingdom Hearts is alternate realities, where in another reality the keyblade destroys the world, not save it. This may be the theme of KH3. Check the theories for further answers to that.
Nick S. e-mailed me bringing up this interesting point: "The 3 Soliders/Chasers and the mystery Keyblade wielder came from different paths in the crossroads. This means a person from the light, dark, twilight, and dawn have come together to wield keyblades." His theory checks out, indeed the characters come from different paths to meet. What does this mean about the characters? It seems they have been seperated and they have distinct attributes about them and their hearts. Thanks, Nick!
Tetsuya Nomura also stated that these are new characters and the scene is set in the past, but also the future in a sense. A strong indicator we are dealing with another dimension where time does not align to Sora's world.
Speculation from March 7, 2006
The text at the end of the secret trailer says "Memory of Xehanort", so it could be that the guy isn't dead, yet. If that's the case he has more lives than a cat. But, in Square's Final Fantasy X, the nemesis, Seymour, took forever to die. He was reborn several, several times. Square is notorious for keeping their bad guys alive against all odds.
The reference to the "Lost Two" might refer to someone and their nobody. It may also refer to Sora and Riku. This is pretty unknown. It could be anything.
"The Chasers" is a pretty random term considering the other text. I believe that The Chasers are the soldiers who are seen in the trailer. Like the Nobodies, this is what they are referred to as. Off the top of my head, I'm going to guess that they "chase" keyblades, bringing them back to this dead land. Maybe for safety? And it's possible that they could never aquire Sora's. I'm betting, through the nature of the trailer, that these guys are bad. So, they may be another step up from Organization XIII, using XIII just as pawns. So from now on, I'm going to refer to the soldiers as Chasers.
With the end text refering to "birth by sleep" may refer to Sora's deep sleep between Chain of Memories and Kingdom Hearts II. During this time anything could happen that influenced the events of this trailer. Also, the depths of Kingdom Hearts II dig deeper when three parts of human existance are revealed by Ansem in his Other Reports. There is the body, soul, and heart. It is known the corrupt heart becomes a Heartless, the empty body becomes a Nobody, but what about the soul? It may in fact be an ingredient in creating a Nobody, but the soul may also become something else, something more powerful. The Chasers?
What are The Chasers? ::.
Arguably the most confusing part of the secret trailer is that the term "The Chasers" doesn't relate to anything we are aware of. So what or who is a Chaser?
At first, it seemed that the soldiers in the trailer are "Chasers" who we thought chased either Sora, Hearts, Kingdom Hearts or something else. These mysterious beings fit the bill alright.
Further studying suggests something different...
E-mails and researching dictionaries suggests that "Chasers" are those who CREATED the Keyblades. Here is a definition from Dictionary.com:
One who decorates metal by engraving or embossing.
Other unconfirmed sources have had alternating definitions of a "Chaser". Could the soldiers in the trailer be the creators of the Keyblades? Could this deserty plain be the place where Keyblades are crafted? There are many different Keyblades as we have seen, so this maybe the ultimate warehouse for them.
The creators of the Keyblades may be good and evil which would explain Keyblades being delivered to different people by different Masters, assuming these armoured figures are masters of Keyblades. Perhaps they give the power of the Keyblade to selected disciples, one chooses Sora, and after that, the Keyblade is bound to him.
This would explain much about where the Keyblades come from, why they are such a powerful weapon, etc.
Active Theories ::.
Theory #9: The story takes place just before KH1 and deals with Xehanorts lost memories before he meets Ansem. Also, the characters are keyblade masters from different paths.
Verdict: It does make sense with the "Memory of Xehanort" line. This is currently our strongest theory.
Theory #5.5: An altered version of Theory 5, this time by Nos Lived suggest that the Chasers are not the soldiers, but are early Heartless, before being named Heartless. They were known as those who "chased" hearts.
Verdict: Chasers could be anything, it just seems suitable to be put as the soldiers. I doubt Square would confuse us by giving Heartless two names, but it's a strong theory.
Theory #3: The story is completely unrelated. Could be a spin-off.
Verdict: Possible, but unlikely. It could be that since Sora's adventure is over, another person adventure could begin. Also, being a keyblade war, it's possible the new title could be just a spin-off. A fighting game or hack-n-slash? More support comes from Tetsuya Nomura who states the featured characters are completely new faces.
Theory #4: The "birth by sleep" line refers to a new story of beings created by Sora during his sleep. Taking place within Sora's mind as he sleeps, hence the "birth by sleep". Born within Sora's dreams.
Verdict: Again, possible. The soldiers could be representations of Sora, Riku and Kairi overcoming the locked and lost memories caused by Naminé. Their faces are not shown either to keep people guessing or because Sora's memories are so scattered that he can't recall faces, so the figures are represented as soldiers.
Theory #5: The things "born by sleep" are another form of Heartless or Nobody, but since the soul is such a powerful thing, it's creation out of darkness is much stronger. A "Chaser" refering to a soul chasing a body or purpose. The main villain could be Xehanort's chaser.
Verdict: From the trend the games have been setting, it seems possible that another form of humans could be converted to darkness, but this type of creature would be repetative and something Square probably wouldn't want to do. Then again, it keeps the storyline straightforward, and Xehanort's altered versions are bad guys in each game so it may continue?
Theory #6: The game takes place in an alternate reality where the Keyblade is a weapon of destruction and evil, not good. Either Ansem or Mickey travels to this world to end the chaos.
Verdict: This type of theme would be something to expect from a game like Kingdom Hearts which can throw twists like this. Indeed the reference to the Keyblade being good and evil has come up often in the series and will be dealt with further. The keyblades evil tendencies will be revealed in the next game for sure. Whether or not we'll see Ansem or Mickey travelling to another dimension is still pretty unknown.
Theory #8: This trailer is actually advertising a Kingdom Hearts CGI movie, much like Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children. (submitted by Mayura)
Verdict: Square did it with Final Fantasy, it could be done again here. Lets hope it's a game at least.
Dead Theories ::.
Theory #1 (theory busted!): The trailer is a flashback to long before Sora's adventure. The keyblades are wiped out in the "war" and that's why it's so difficult to aquire one.
Verdict: This theory is false. I heard this on a message board. It's an interesting theory but it isn't true. In KH2 it becomes clear that more than one person can weild a keyblade, so it would be logical that more and more people would have them later, rather than soon. Also, it mentions the memory of Xehanort who is defeated in the end of Kingdom Hearts II. Therefore, logic says that this must take place after KH2.
Theory #2: The three "chasers" are Sora, Kairi, Riku.
Verdict: Kingdom Hearts Ultimania posted an interview with creator Tetsuya Nomura who stated that the characters were not in fact Sora, Kairi, or Riku and were three completely new characters.
Theory #7: (from visitor TGK): I have found a pic of Sora online that you might want to take a look at. It shows Sora in a red suit and says "the king" at the bottom. I think that this might mean that all the events in the trailer could take place long after Sora's death. Sora may have been involved with a war using the keyblades.
Verdict: The image talked about was not included because it is fan art and we don't have the rights to it. But, the red suit is Sora's Valor form from Kingdom Hearts II and "The King" reference is just a nickname by the artist. The game could take place after Sora's death, but that wouldn't be related to his suit. Besides, this is a Disney produced game, killing the main character is definitely not like them, something they wouldn't let Square-Enix get away with. The kids, they'd cry. Release Information ::.
I can bet you that we'll be seeing a Kingdom Hearts III on Playstation 3. Why? Because PS2 is in it's final days, Playstation 3 is sceduled for release later this year and Square takes forever to develop games so either this will be an incredibly outdated game on a dead PS2 or an incredibly new one on a powerful PS3.
If it's on the Playstation 3, you can bet there will be some oustanding graphics, larger scale battles and high definition picture! Expect Square to make the best of this and we'll be able to see every reflection of these "Chasers" armor in-game as well as twice as many enemies on screen at once as in Kingdom Hearts II. WOW!
Then again, Square is releasing Final Fantasy XI on Xbox 360, it's possible they could switch partners to Microsoft. This might be a bad business move since the Xbox isn't very popular in Japan and given that Kingdom Hearts is HUGE in Japan, Square will probably keep it to PS2. Phew.
As for a release date. Well, let's look at Square's track record. We saw the secret KH2 trailer after the first game in 2002. Then Square officially announced the game a year later. So that's about 2003, then they delayed it several times until they finally pinned down March 2006 for the release. That's FOUR years after the first game, people. And now, on PS3, they will have to start from the ground up getting used to developing for a new, more powerful system. Square will have to create a brand new graphics engine and battle system. That should take quite a bit of time, but don't complain, quality takes time, the more time taken, the better KH3 will be.
KH2 was delayed because game director Tetsuya Nomura was working on multiple projects such as KH: CoM and FFVII Advent Children. He has said that he will be working on another, unrelated game before Kingdom Hearts III. Check out my calculations: Developing new graphics engine + new battle sytem + switching platforms + delays + possible delays of PS3 + other stuff = 4+ years.
I'm going to estimate we will see some previews of Kingdom Hearts III in 2008, then we'll see a release in 2011 at the earliest. WHOA! That's far off. But think, it's only five years. Let's all wish for sooner, and put some coffee on while at it.
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:51 pm
A few questions about KH3 and The secret ending of kingdom hearts clueing in about kh3. They are all interview questions answered by the games creator, Tetsuya Nomura 3nodding
question After the ending, there's a secret movie this time, too. What exactly is the movie trying to tell? idea I actually have a solid idea on what the movie's setting will be in my head. In the previous game's secret movie, I wasn't even sure if I would be making a sequel or not, so some parts of it were quite vague. But this time I already have an idea my head where I think "This is it."
question Did that scene happen in the future or in the past? idea I would at least say it's an episode in the past, but.... Hmm, how should I say this? It's in the past but you can also think it's in the future, something like that.
question Who are the 3 armoured people? idea Those 3 are completely new people who haven't shown up at all. In fact, I've already thought of their names. Back when I was making that movie, I only had their settings but now I've even drawn their faces to give myself a clearer image of them.
question The king, Sora and Riku's keyblades were there, too. idea It's to show that those three armoured people aren't them but that doesn't mean they don't have connections. The words "Keyblade War" that showed up in the middle were to implicate that there were fights between Keyblades. Most of the puzzles in the first KH have been solved in KHII but there are many things about the Keyblade that haven't been revealed yet. A line from the previous game's Ansem Report #8 appeared in the movie but that is to say "It means this but it's not explained yet."
question Does that mean you already have a plot for KHIII? idea Hmm... I have an idea but it can't be helped because my team are planning to work on our next different title. So we're not working on KHIII now and we're not planning to work on it for some time, too. I have a plot in my head but I'm not sure if it'll be released to the world or just stay in there.
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:43 am
Yeah but the question I ask is what does knights have to do with kh? Is it sora riku, and kairi in some kinda form or special armor? So many questions.
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 12:18 pm
Axel555 Yeah but the question I ask is what does knights have to do with kh? Is it sora riku, and kairi in some kinda form or special armor? So many questions. no, if youve read the interview with the games creator, there 3 completely new characters from the past 3nodding
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:50 pm
Quote: The reference to the "Lost Two" might refer to someone and their nobody. It may also refer to Sora and Riku. This is pretty unknown. It could be anything. "The Chasers" is a pretty random term considering the other text. Off the top of my head, I'm going to guess that they "chase" keyblades, bringing them back to this dead land. Maybe for safety? And it's possible that they could never aquire Sora's. These passages made me wonder...If the "Chasers" do indeed hunt keyblades, perhaps the 'lost two' are Sora and Riku or Micky's keyblades. I also find the idea that they are the crafters of the keyblades and the plain is merely a warehouse for thier product intrigueing. Perhaps the fourth figure seeks a blade? Has stolen a blade?
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Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:56 am
actually the 3 people were suppose to represent sora,riku,kairi and 1 faded into darkness(riku)
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:32 pm
I'm going to be depressed if Sora, Riku, Kairi and the others aren't in this...
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:05 am
Well... It'll have to still take place in different disney worlds, since I heard Toy Story will be a new level.
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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 11:12 pm
crying crying I actually hope that KHIII is coming out on Xbox 360, cuz i allready have one and the ps3 is supposed to cost waaaaay to much to buy, considering my funding is currently allowence. sweatdrop But still.... crying crying
Also, i was studieng the trailer on youtube, and the speculation that the third keyblade(the three refering to the three keyblades the armored keyblade wielders pick up) is king mickies keyblade, cuz the chain on it had the king micky symbol, and Kairi's keyblade didnt have the king mickey symbol. But if you already knew that, than sry for restating it. mrgreen
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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:14 pm
I heard they're adding pixar movie character worlds.
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Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:07 pm
ShadowSora(unknown KH) I heard they're adding pixar movie character worlds. i heard that too 3nodding
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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 10:51 am
could that thing that fades in the background could it have been a giant heartless or could it be something new that is from either Dawn or Twilight, and could these chaser guys be another term for a keyblade weilder? sweatdrop confused i mean think about it its possible
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 5:15 am
Quote: I actually hope that KHIII is coming out on Xbox 360, cuz i allready have one and the ps3 is supposed to cost waaaaay to much to buy, considering my funding is currently allowence. But still.... I would hope not because multiplatform games tend to do a little worse then single platform games. Plus I don't want to buy a 360 for a KH game. Here's my theories. arrow The Trailer arrow I think it takes place in the future. All of the keyblades there are from the keyblade warriors from the past (which explains why Sora, Riku, and Mickey/Kairi's are there). The "Chasers" mights be the future keyblade weilders. The shadowy figure I believe to be Xehanort or someone or something related to Xehanort. Remember how there is a HEART, BODY, and SOUL. Well we haven't done soul yet so maybe that's Xehanort's soul (Could've gotten seperated from his body after being defeated in KH2). arrow The Worlds arrow Yeah it's very possible that Pixar might be in it because didn't Disney buy Pixar? If there's a Toy Story world expect Sora, Donald, and Goofy as small toys. Also, I think a Narnia world would be awesome. Imagine the scenery. arrow The Main Characters arrow I'm sure that they would keep Sora as the main character because that would make it like FF. Now we could play as someone else in the beginning (like we did with Roxas in KH2) but Sora will still be the one we control.
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 6:43 am
ULTIMA_warrior13 Quote: I actually hope that KHIII is coming out on Xbox 360, cuz i allready have one and the ps3 is supposed to cost waaaaay to much to buy, considering my funding is currently allowence. But still.... I would hope not because multiplatform games tend to do a little worse then single platform games. Plus I don't want to buy a 360 for a KH game. Here's my theories. arrow The Trailer arrow I think it takes place in the future. All of the keyblades there are from the keyblade warriors from the past (which explains why Sora, Riku, and Mickey/Kairi's are there). The "Chasers" mights be the future keyblade weilders. The shadowy figure I believe to be Xehanort or someone or something related to Xehanort. Remember how there is a HEART, BODY, and SOUL. Well we haven't done soul yet so maybe that's Xehanort's soul (Could've gotten seperated from his body after being defeated in KH2). arrow The Worlds arrow Yeah it's very possible that Pixar might be in it because didn't Disney buy Pixar? If there's a Toy Story world expect Sora, Donald, and Goofy as small toys. Also, I think a Narnia world would be awesome. Imagine the scenery. arrow The Main Characters arrow I'm sure that they would keep Sora as the main character because that would make it like FF. Now we could play as someone else in the beginning (like we did with Roxas in KH2) but Sora will still be the one we control. i agree with your idea, its sound reasonable but you never know cuz first we now nuthing of the past and why thier are keyblade weilders and second square-enix is also responsible so there are some high chances of there being different characters sweatdrop
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