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 Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 5:56 pm
Mary Bell, the 10-year-old killer.
The thing most disturbing about this case is not that this child was merely ten, in today's day and age we've seen younger children commit murder due to careless gun violence. But this girl, she tortured her victums, in strange and appauling ways.
Now for those of you who wont bother to read the case-study, I'll tell you that this girl had an abusive father and an exploiting mother. The source of her violence clearly caused by the influence of her parents.
Keeping that in mind, is it really the fault of any criminal for what they've done? Or is it simply a reaction as a result of the way they were raised?
If so, is it right for anyone to really be prisoned or killed the way people are today? Wouldn't it be better to try and cure or at least study the psychological behaviour of these people?
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:36 am
I actually read the article. Very interesting.
What CAN you do against a 10 year old killer? In Canada, you can't touch kids under 12 for anything they do (which is a REALLY bad law) so here, nothing would happen. Don't know what would happen in the States, but whatever.
This has to deal with the Nature vs. Nuture debate, and I have always believed that it was Nuture that took a role in what we do. If my mother was a drunk and my father walked out on me when I was three, I am positive I would have a completely different way of thinking. But less on that...
But, I have always believe we should be blamed for what we do. We should blame ourselves, no one else. It was this childs fault she did this, no one made her do it, therefore, I believe the blame should be placed on her. I just find it disturbing that she got joy out of killing and torturing a young boy and she is just 10. She was laughing at his funeral? That is just sick.
I would like to see what goes on in this girls head, rather than just imprisioning her. Psychology has always interested me, and I think studying it would provide more clues than just leaving her alone.
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Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 10:04 am
I'm really sorry I couldn't finish the entire case study. I was up at 4 in the morning because of insomnia and jetlag, so I popped on Gaia and found it, then decided to read it. BAD IDEA. Word of advice: do not read about creepy homicidal crazy people in the middle of the night when all is dark outside.
As for the case itself, even if it was the parents' fault for being abusive and neglectful, letting the child go without punishment (like in Canada) would set the precedent for allowing other children to commit crimes with no fear of reprisal. We all must take responsibility for our own actions, regardless of how messed up in the head we are. Insanity is a cause, not an excuse.
Does this mean that we need to focus on rehabilitation and prevention? Hell yes. Does this mean that we skip jail time for therapy sessions? Absolutely not. Personally, I think that our prison systems are too lenient as they are, and that the whole thing needs to be redone. Kids or no kids, if you go around killing people, you need to pay up for it.
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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 8:38 am
i agree with dboyzero and rioku on this one we should be held accountible for the things we do we cant just get off by saying that we're insain and expect that the court would be sympithatic and prescribe us drugs i dont care if she was 10 years old from what i read she enjoyed the torcher of the little boy also it was her brother if im not mistaken
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:11 pm
I read most of it..... that was just creepy...... but where is she now? ::chills::
It does say she's changed, so maybe.......
The Pictures reminded me of 'The Omen'
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Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:16 pm
I'd heard about this, but this was the first time I'd read the details. *shudder*
She may be messed up, and she might have been young, but the fact remains: No one forced her to do this. This was all her own choice.
So, her parents' problems as a cause? Maybe.
Was it all their fault? No way.
In my book, ten is plenty old enough to know that killing other people is wrong.
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Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:44 pm
(and I actually read it)
It is my belief that the way you are raised does, in fact, greatly influence your decisions and choices later on in life. However, we must all be held accountable for our own actions. Saying that your killing someone was all your parents' fault is not correct, unless you lived in a cave all your life and one day killed them. (due to abuse and eventual retaliation)
When a child gets older and is socialized, they learn that they're family life isn't really normal. Then the relearning process happens.
It is difficult, but if the child is harming people and they've been around people other than the abusers: I believe that they should be held accountable for their actions.
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Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:11 pm
Am I more scared of her alive or when she dies?
alive, I know where she is.....dead, does she go into older, 'mature' spirit form or 10-year-old killer?
and when kids hear about his in school...... you can't say, no it's a lie b/c it's real. it happened.
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Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:38 pm
Oh my god.
I'm reading it and I think that child was possied by a demon.
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:29 pm
As others have said, although it is unfortunate that any child would live in such a unstable as well as unhealthy enviroment... we all should be held accountable for our own actions.
There is no denying of course that unhealthy enviroments such as that of which this story involves... it is a person's choice how to respond to being put in such an enviroment. There are numbers upon numbers who are brought up in an abusive household, and various other scenarios. Do they all turn out to be ones with murderous intent?
No. Although it may or may not be proven that a large number can, may, or do have clinical health related issues due to living in such enviroments and others may indeed do as their parents before them or worse, there are still a fair number in this world that choose to rise above the lives they lived. There are some decent people out there born in such unhealthy and unstable enviroments. It is a matter of choice in regards to whether or not one will succumb to the inner demons or fears of their surroundings and act as if not, in a more threatening nature than of that of those around them.
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:13 pm
This child sounds like she's the spawn of Satan. In the United States, under a fairly recent law, she would not get the death penalty since she is a minor. In fact, she would probably be tried as a juvenile because of her age. But what she did was horrible.
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